Comments on: Doctors and scientists as sheep http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/doctors-and-scientists-as-sheep.htm Reviewing scientific paradigms and other general beliefs in the light of the scientific and professional literature Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:57:56 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mark Biernbaum http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/doctors-and-scientists-as-sheep.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4106 Mark Biernbaum Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:02:29 +0000 http://www.paradigmoverthrow.com/blog/doctors-and-scientists-as-sheep.htm#comment-4106 Here's the thing, TS -- it's all in the approach, really. Did people really think I'd be convinced to leave HIV behind by being scorned, dismissed, and insulted? Certainly, many interesting arguments were made here -- but a lot of mud slinging took place too. Not so with Celia or Rebecca. There -- all wonderful points, and no personal mud slinging. Seems like the female dissidents could teach the male dissidents a thing or two. And thanks, Kevin, for your support. Here’s the thing, TS — it’s all in the approach, really. Did people really think I’d be convinced to leave HIV behind by being scorned, dismissed, and insulted? Certainly, many interesting arguments were made here — but a lot of mud slinging took place too. Not so with Celia or Rebecca. There — all wonderful points, and no personal mud slinging. Seems like the female dissidents could teach the male dissidents a thing or two. And thanks, Kevin, for your support.

]]> By: Truthseeker http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/doctors-and-scientists-as-sheep.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4105 Truthseeker Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:04:13 +0000 http://www.paradigmoverthrow.com/blog/doctors-and-scientists-as-sheep.htm#comment-4105 <i>I've terminated "HIV" care entirely. Drugs, blood tests -- all of it. <br /> <br /> This move was not prompted by anything anyone wrote here. It was prompted by the writing of two very compassionate and clear-headed women: Celia Farber and Rebecca Culshaw. Rebecca's incredibly well-written book was the final nail in the coffin for me. <br /> <br /> I don't say that I know what is up -- what causes what.</i> - Mark <br /> <br /> Glad to hear it. That is apparently how people survive. <br /> <br /> However, we are disappointed at the reasons, which sound much the same as the emotional ones that seduced you into it in the first place, even though you claim to be persuaded by Rachel Culshaw's well argued book, currently sold out in its first printing. <br /> <br /> This blog stands for the influence of scientific reason and evidence, and we are going to redouble our efforts in the face of your lack of appreciation. I’ve terminated “HIV” care entirely. Drugs, blood tests — all of it.

This move was not prompted by anything anyone wrote here. It was prompted by the writing of two very compassionate and clear-headed women: Celia Farber and Rebecca Culshaw. Rebecca’s incredibly well-written book was the final nail in the coffin for me.

I don’t say that I know what is up — what causes what. – Mark

Glad to hear it. That is apparently how people survive.

However, we are disappointed at the reasons, which sound much the same as the emotional ones that seduced you into it in the first place, even though you claim to be persuaded by Rachel Culshaw’s well argued book, currently sold out in its first printing.

This blog stands for the influence of scientific reason and evidence, and we are going to redouble our efforts in the face of your lack of appreciation.

]]> By: kevin http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/doctors-and-scientists-as-sheep.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4104 kevin Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:57:56 +0000 http://www.paradigmoverthrow.com/blog/doctors-and-scientists-as-sheep.htm#comment-4104 "I've terminated "HIV" care entirely. Drugs, blood tests -- all of it." -- Mark <br /> <br />I wish you well, Mark. It's so much easier to feel well, when there are fewer people in your life waiting for you to get sick. If you ever want any commentary about particular holistic treatments, I'd be happy to give my two cents worth. I've tried about everything, and when appropriate, I tried many of them isolated from other treatments to better gauge their effectiveness. Anyway, the email on my account is real, so feel free. <br /> <br />My personal goal is to make it two years without seeing a doctor. I'm at 21 months, right now (hope I didn't jinx it). Before that, the longest I'd ever gone was a few months, I think. I've had a few health problems, some uncommon, but all have been mild and quick to resolve using only holistic, home care. I've even gotten over two sinus infections without antibiotics. There are some very effective natural treatments for sinusitis, so if anyway else suffers so, I extend my email offer to you all. <br /> <br />Kevin “I’ve terminated “HIV” care entirely. Drugs, blood tests — all of it.” — Mark

I wish you well, Mark. It’s so much easier to feel well, when there are fewer people in your life waiting for you to get sick. If you ever want any commentary about particular holistic treatments, I’d be happy to give my two cents worth. I’ve tried about everything, and when appropriate, I tried many of them isolated from other treatments to better gauge their effectiveness. Anyway, the email on my account is real, so feel free.

My personal goal is to make it two years without seeing a doctor. I’m at 21 months, right now (hope I didn’t jinx it). Before that, the longest I’d ever gone was a few months, I think. I’ve had a few health problems, some uncommon, but all have been mild and quick to resolve using only holistic, home care. I’ve even gotten over two sinus infections without antibiotics. There are some very effective natural treatments for sinusitis, so if anyway else suffers so, I extend my email offer to you all.

Kevin

]]> By: kevin http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/doctors-and-scientists-as-sheep.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4103 kevin Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:37:05 +0000 http://www.paradigmoverthrow.com/blog/doctors-and-scientists-as-sheep.htm#comment-4103 <i>"All this labeling does to these poor individuals is to add insult to injury to an already unbearable conditions." </i>--Noreen Martin <br /> <br />Very good point, Noreen. Had I ever been labeled HIV+, I'm not sure I would have had the courage to continue seeking my own answers. Those of you who must suffer this stigma while regaining your health are to be commended. You must be a very strong-willed individuals. I am lucky that I never tripped an Elisa considering how severe my canididiasis became, not to mention how I was bullied into taking the test 3 or 4 times a year. I saw through the charade a little clearer with each negative result. The confused, disappointed looks of my doctors was both chilling and empowering. If I can find the time, I'll add a comment describing the last time I gave in to the meme. It was a memorable doc visit, that's for sure. <br /> <br />Kevin “All this labeling does to these poor individuals is to add insult to injury to an already unbearable conditions.” –Noreen Martin

Very good point, Noreen. Had I ever been labeled HIV+, I’m not sure I would have had the courage to continue seeking my own answers. Those of you who must suffer this stigma while regaining your health are to be commended. You must be a very strong-willed individuals. I am lucky that I never tripped an Elisa considering how severe my canididiasis became, not to mention how I was bullied into taking the test 3 or 4 times a year. I saw through the charade a little clearer with each negative result. The confused, disappointed looks of my doctors was both chilling and empowering. If I can find the time, I’ll add a comment describing the last time I gave in to the meme. It was a memorable doc visit, that’s for sure.

Kevin

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