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		<title>By: Chitachitamuchita</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/frog-5-political-non-science.htm/comment-page-1#comment-5158</link>
		<dc:creator>Chitachitamuchita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q-Whoâ€™s funding Tara ?

A- Look to the banner in the top of AETIOLOGY, &quot;NATURE REPORTS&quot; which is funded by as you guess ! by ARVâ€™s manufacturers Glaxo and Gilead.....

From there, I think that everyone can understand why she and her blog are PR for BIG PHARMA...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q-Whoâ€™s funding Tara ?</p>
<p>A- Look to the banner in the top of AETIOLOGY, &#8220;NATURE REPORTS&#8221; which is funded by as you guess ! by ARVâ€™s manufacturers Glaxo and Gilead&#8230;..</p>
<p>From there, I think that everyone can understand why she and her blog are PR for BIG PHARMA&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said,  MacDonald.  The moral deficits of those who blindly shriek and wave the flag for the standard wisdom without checking it for themselves are enormous, we agree. With so many lives at stake including infants and young children, this mother, who is not handicapped in reasoning or in science, has the disrespect to abandon responsible dialogue for one sided rationalization and insults.

To adapt Groucho, if there is a club that would accept me on that basis I wouldn&#039;t want to belong to it.  But in some people the desire to belong is paramount, presumably based on the childish desire to please the Daddy who is the key to your survival.  Maybe she is right.  Rachel Carson said that she never imagined how bad it could get, and she didn&#039;t have a family.  

In a society that prides itself on individualism we find that it doesn&#039;t run very deep in most people here.    Seems to apply to individual initiative in commerce, not in ideas.  In England years ago if memory serves we always seemed to have a different attitude, where a different opinion was seen as the spice of conversation.  Here it seems to be part of labeling you as a member of the tribe, or not.  

But that may be out of date, or a matter of who you are talking to.    Perhaps Tara just lacks any capacity to think different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said,  MacDonald.  The moral deficits of those who blindly shriek and wave the flag for the standard wisdom without checking it for themselves are enormous, we agree. With so many lives at stake including infants and young children, this mother, who is not handicapped in reasoning or in science, has the disrespect to abandon responsible dialogue for one sided rationalization and insults.</p>
<p>To adapt Groucho, if there is a club that would accept me on that basis I wouldn&#8217;t want to belong to it.  But in some people the desire to belong is paramount, presumably based on the childish desire to please the Daddy who is the key to your survival.  Maybe she is right.  Rachel Carson said that she never imagined how bad it could get, and she didn&#8217;t have a family.  </p>
<p>In a society that prides itself on individualism we find that it doesn&#8217;t run very deep in most people here.    Seems to apply to individual initiative in commerce, not in ideas.  In England years ago if memory serves we always seemed to have a different attitude, where a different opinion was seen as the spice of conversation.  Here it seems to be part of labeling you as a member of the tribe, or not.  </p>
<p>But that may be out of date, or a matter of who you are talking to.    Perhaps Tara just lacks any capacity to think different.</p>
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		<title>By: MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liam Scheff, in his response to Tara and Steven on his website, has called them &quot;cowards&quot;;  
http://liamscheff.com/daily/2007/09/17/the-aids-pogrom-my-letter-to-biggaynews/

Especially in the case of Christine Maggiore, Tara Smith abundantly demonstrates the AIDStruth crowd&#039;s most prominent character trait - cowardice. To science blogger, Hank, better known as Therapy Buddy, Dr. Smith served up this little fairy story about how her warm and fuzzy mothering instincts compelled her to HIV/AIDS activism.

&lt;i&gt;Tara Smith: Like most scientists, I hadn&#039;t even realized there was an active denial movement until recently, beginning with the story of Eliza Jane Scovill. As a parent myself, I can only imagine how horrible it must be to lose a child, but it angered me that Maggiore didn&#039;t learn anything from her daughter&#039;s death--and indeed, continues to actively promote her denialist ideas to other mothers. To someone in public health, that behavior is beyond appalling, and I do think attention needs to be called to this movement, and to science denial more broadly.&lt;/i&gt;
http://www.scientificblogging.com/hank/the_least_known_war_in_science_does_hiv_cause_aids

Dr. Smith also professes to believe that, &quot;Scientists must engage more with the public or the HIV/Aids deniers will gain credibility (...) It is up to us to explain the science to the public&quot; - 
http://aidstruth.org/fanaticism.php

This all sounds very nice in a sycophantic magazine article. However, Dr. Smith has never attempted to take personal contact to Christine Maggiore, who, as we all know has issued a standing invitation, all expenses paid, to any confident &quot;HIV expert&quot; who wants to demonstrate to her face to face the error of her ways in moderated debate. 

This proves Dr. Smith is a fraud. Even her account of her own involvement with HIV/AIDS, supposedly based on her feelings as a mother, is merely a cynically calculated attempt to smear Christine Maggiore, whom Dr. Smith has neither the personal empathy nor the courage to interact with as a fellow mother. 

Dr. Smith has been challenged several times to show that she is more than a run off the mill cowardly hypocrite mindlessly parroting the AIDStruth talking points - last on her own blog a couple of days ago:

&lt;i&gt;Funny how those supporting HIV causation of AIDS discuss actual scientific research, while the deniers post nothing but insults and really, really bad parodies.&lt;/i&gt; 
Posted by: Tara C. Smith &#124; September 20, 2007 3:13 AM 

To which she received this answer from someone calling herself &quot;Epidemiology-LISA&quot;:

&lt;i&gt;Funny, I must have missed the scientific discussion in your latest articles Dr. Smith. Would you mind cutting and pasting, so we can have look see here? When are we gonna see you out in the real world debating Christine Maggiore, you know the case that got your bleeding heart involved with this thing in the first place?&lt;/i&gt;

Dr. Smith had no further comments be it to E-LISA or Maggiore. Like every self-appointed HIV/AIDS warrior, she is a hypocrite and a coward, not half the mother that Christine Maggiore is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liam Scheff, in his response to Tara and Steven on his website, has called them &#8220;cowards&#8221;;<br />
<a href="http://liamscheff.com/daily/2007/09/17/the-aids-pogrom-my-letter-to-biggaynews/" rel="nofollow">http://liamscheff.com/daily/2007/09/17/the-aids-pogrom-my-letter-to-biggaynews/</a></p>
<p>Especially in the case of Christine Maggiore, Tara Smith abundantly demonstrates the AIDStruth crowd&#8217;s most prominent character trait &#8211; cowardice. To science blogger, Hank, better known as Therapy Buddy, Dr. Smith served up this little fairy story about how her warm and fuzzy mothering instincts compelled her to HIV/AIDS activism.</p>
<p><i>Tara Smith: Like most scientists, I hadn&#8217;t even realized there was an active denial movement until recently, beginning with the story of Eliza Jane Scovill. As a parent myself, I can only imagine how horrible it must be to lose a child, but it angered me that Maggiore didn&#8217;t learn anything from her daughter&#8217;s death&#8211;and indeed, continues to actively promote her denialist ideas to other mothers. To someone in public health, that behavior is beyond appalling, and I do think attention needs to be called to this movement, and to science denial more broadly.</i><br />
<a href="http://www.scientificblogging.com/hank/the_least_known_war_in_science_does_hiv_cause_aids" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificblogging.com/hank/the_least_known_war_in_science_does_hiv_cause_aids</a></p>
<p>Dr. Smith also professes to believe that, &#8220;Scientists must engage more with the public or the HIV/Aids deniers will gain credibility (&#8230;) It is up to us to explain the science to the public&#8221; &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://aidstruth.org/fanaticism.php" rel="nofollow">http://aidstruth.org/fanaticism.php</a></p>
<p>This all sounds very nice in a sycophantic magazine article. However, Dr. Smith has never attempted to take personal contact to Christine Maggiore, who, as we all know has issued a standing invitation, all expenses paid, to any confident &#8220;HIV expert&#8221; who wants to demonstrate to her face to face the error of her ways in moderated debate. </p>
<p>This proves Dr. Smith is a fraud. Even her account of her own involvement with HIV/AIDS, supposedly based on her feelings as a mother, is merely a cynically calculated attempt to smear Christine Maggiore, whom Dr. Smith has neither the personal empathy nor the courage to interact with as a fellow mother. </p>
<p>Dr. Smith has been challenged several times to show that she is more than a run off the mill cowardly hypocrite mindlessly parroting the AIDStruth talking points &#8211; last on her own blog a couple of days ago:</p>
<p><i>Funny how those supporting HIV causation of AIDS discuss actual scientific research, while the deniers post nothing but insults and really, really bad parodies.</i><br />
Posted by: Tara C. Smith | September 20, 2007 3:13 AM </p>
<p>To which she received this answer from someone calling herself &#8220;Epidemiology-LISA&#8221;:</p>
<p><i>Funny, I must have missed the scientific discussion in your latest articles Dr. Smith. Would you mind cutting and pasting, so we can have look see here? When are we gonna see you out in the real world debating Christine Maggiore, you know the case that got your bleeding heart involved with this thing in the first place?</i></p>
<p>Dr. Smith had no further comments be it to E-LISA or Maggiore. Like every self-appointed HIV/AIDS warrior, she is a hypocrite and a coward, not half the mother that Christine Maggiore is.</p>
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