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		<title>By: cervantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>cervantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS:  The  year 2006 CDC stats cite in absolute numbers that American blacks are 2 1/2 times more likely to be tested for HIV.   

Per capita, this comes to the a rate about 13 times greater, blacks compared to whites.  

The ludicrous state of modern medicine always wanting everybody to be tested, not just for HIV antibodies, but for just about anything, is an epidemic in its own right, and brings untold $billions of profits to all involved - and then many $billions for unnecessary prescriptions, many if not most bringing their disastrous side effects.  

The latest HPV vaccine, completely unjustified, has caused the official reporting of about 10,000 serious reactions, and approx. 10 deaths to date. But, as is admitted by even the establishment, at most only 10% of serious reactions to vaccinations that doctors know about actually make a paper report (because the doctors attribute the symptoms to normal disease, not the vaccination), compounded by most vaccinated people (girls and women in the HPV case) upon having a reaction when they get home don&#039;t bother to even get back to the doctor, because they also think it is some type of transient flu, allergy, whatever.   The money and profits from the HPV vaccine are mammoth, $billions per year; objective analysis is impossible when profits like this are involved, particularly as evaluations are done by the drug companies making the bucks.  To paraphrase Peter Duesberg&#039;s book title Inventing the AIDS Virus, the establishment has invented the cervical cancer virus.  

HPV is following the example of HIV  --- $billions and $billions for concocted medical tests, iatrogenic therapies, and dangerous vaccinations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:  The  year 2006 CDC stats cite in absolute numbers that American blacks are 2 1/2 times more likely to be tested for HIV.   </p>
<p>Per capita, this comes to the a rate about 13 times greater, blacks compared to whites.  </p>
<p>The ludicrous state of modern medicine always wanting everybody to be tested, not just for HIV antibodies, but for just about anything, is an epidemic in its own right, and brings untold $billions of profits to all involved &#8211; and then many $billions for unnecessary prescriptions, many if not most bringing their disastrous side effects.  </p>
<p>The latest HPV vaccine, completely unjustified, has caused the official reporting of about 10,000 serious reactions, and approx. 10 deaths to date. But, as is admitted by even the establishment, at most only 10% of serious reactions to vaccinations that doctors know about actually make a paper report (because the doctors attribute the symptoms to normal disease, not the vaccination), compounded by most vaccinated people (girls and women in the HPV case) upon having a reaction when they get home don&#8217;t bother to even get back to the doctor, because they also think it is some type of transient flu, allergy, whatever.   The money and profits from the HPV vaccine are mammoth, $billions per year; objective analysis is impossible when profits like this are involved, particularly as evaluations are done by the drug companies making the bucks.  To paraphrase Peter Duesberg&#8217;s book title Inventing the AIDS Virus, the establishment has invented the cervical cancer virus.  </p>
<p>HPV is following the example of HIV  &#8212; $billions and $billions for concocted medical tests, iatrogenic therapies, and dangerous vaccinations.</p>
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		<title>By: cervantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>cervantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathyvm, It&#039;s not a mystery - let me try to present the logic behind the black vs. white mortality not only here in the U.S., but also across Europe as regards national citizens vs. immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean.  Here in the U.S., the CDC cites that American blacks are 8 times higher (per capita) being &quot;HIV+&quot; and actually this is repeated in the European countries (and Canada, etc.).  I might add that I never trust the CDC, but in the case of reporting numbers like this, they are a useful source.

Here in the U.S., at any rate, the black leaders such as Jesse Jackson, and celebrities such as Magic Johnson exhort their fellow black citizens to be treated with all the anti-retroviral toxic drugs offered at all the inner-city clinics and related care centers, and this has been trumpeted for years in Washington, DC, where the World Health Organization&#039;s Dr. De Cock is even recently quoted as chipping in his two cents, and citing the North Dakota HIV+ rate is 1/100 that of DC, and he admits he is baffled by it (of course, De Cock will always remain baffled because he is a devoted adherent to the lethality of HIV).  So, a very large percentage of American blacks on faith take the meds, and Voila!, they are indeed stricken.  

In contrast, the majority of white citizens &quot;infected&quot; are, by far, members of the gay community, and though many won&#039;t admit it, many are aware of how toxic the treatment drugs are, and no doubt eschew the treatments, when only being HIV+.  There are actually many doctors who have come to their senses and do not recommend the antiviral/antiretrovirals unless a patient becomes seriously ill.  For instance, Dr. Donald Abrams, a very prominent treatment doctor at San Francisco General all through the 1980&#039;s reversed his strong drug attitude, and later taught that a wait and see medical approach was best; his papers are priceless: they document the heavy, strong doses of a dozen different chemotherapies (for those HIV+) were administered by him and his colleagues in the 1980&#039;s to literally thousands of patients, and all, in retrospect, caused death instead of helping.  

BUT, that&#039;s what really happened, and when AZT took center stage for almost 10 years wreaking even higher mortality, Abrams came to his revelation.  By the way, Magic Johnson was paid for years to shill Combivir, the mainstay of HAART that caused so much death.  His smiling face was on big billboards for years exhorting the black community to take their anti-HIV meds, particulary Combivir which came to the tune of 600 milligrams of AZT a day - pretty lethal stuff. Six years ago, Magic&#039;s doctor said Magic took one Combivir pill a day (300 milligrams of AZT, 150 milligrams of 3TC), but since Magic weighs 300 pounds, and these drugs are all body-weight sensitive, even if he truly took the drug he was shilling (I doubt he did), it would have a non-lethal effect.  To beat this point to death (pun intended) the black community trusts the likes of Magic, and follows his advice, that he still gives.    

On top of all this, there have been medical papers citing the genetic makeup of African heritage is, in fact, much more likely to ring up a &#039;positive antibody&#039; result just due to natural, endogenous, cellular debris/particle makeup.  This should surprise nobody, as the original basis for being &quot;HIV-antibody positive&quot; was concocted by the infamous Robert Gallo way back in 1984, basing his criteria on the blood of very sick, white, gay guys with all the original symptoms of so-called AIDS.  As far as I know nobody at the time tried to check that his concocted tests were appropriate for different racial groups.  Finally, there are a plethora of reports over the decades that inner-city blacks in particular have many times the health problems than the rest of the U.S. population, and these health conditions will cross-react with the (really worthless) HIV antibody tests, so this is another reason that blacks fall into the HIV+ category, and then unwittingly fall victim to the poisonous drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathyvm, It&#8217;s not a mystery &#8211; let me try to present the logic behind the black vs. white mortality not only here in the U.S., but also across Europe as regards national citizens vs. immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean.  Here in the U.S., the CDC cites that American blacks are 8 times higher (per capita) being &#8220;HIV+&#8221; and actually this is repeated in the European countries (and Canada, etc.).  I might add that I never trust the CDC, but in the case of reporting numbers like this, they are a useful source.</p>
<p>Here in the U.S., at any rate, the black leaders such as Jesse Jackson, and celebrities such as Magic Johnson exhort their fellow black citizens to be treated with all the anti-retroviral toxic drugs offered at all the inner-city clinics and related care centers, and this has been trumpeted for years in Washington, DC, where the World Health Organization&#8217;s Dr. De Cock is even recently quoted as chipping in his two cents, and citing the North Dakota HIV+ rate is 1/100 that of DC, and he admits he is baffled by it (of course, De Cock will always remain baffled because he is a devoted adherent to the lethality of HIV).  So, a very large percentage of American blacks on faith take the meds, and Voila!, they are indeed stricken.  </p>
<p>In contrast, the majority of white citizens &#8220;infected&#8221; are, by far, members of the gay community, and though many won&#8217;t admit it, many are aware of how toxic the treatment drugs are, and no doubt eschew the treatments, when only being HIV+.  There are actually many doctors who have come to their senses and do not recommend the antiviral/antiretrovirals unless a patient becomes seriously ill.  For instance, Dr. Donald Abrams, a very prominent treatment doctor at San Francisco General all through the 1980&#8217;s reversed his strong drug attitude, and later taught that a wait and see medical approach was best; his papers are priceless: they document the heavy, strong doses of a dozen different chemotherapies (for those HIV+) were administered by him and his colleagues in the 1980&#8217;s to literally thousands of patients, and all, in retrospect, caused death instead of helping.  </p>
<p>BUT, that&#8217;s what really happened, and when AZT took center stage for almost 10 years wreaking even higher mortality, Abrams came to his revelation.  By the way, Magic Johnson was paid for years to shill Combivir, the mainstay of HAART that caused so much death.  His smiling face was on big billboards for years exhorting the black community to take their anti-HIV meds, particulary Combivir which came to the tune of 600 milligrams of AZT a day &#8211; pretty lethal stuff. Six years ago, Magic&#8217;s doctor said Magic took one Combivir pill a day (300 milligrams of AZT, 150 milligrams of 3TC), but since Magic weighs 300 pounds, and these drugs are all body-weight sensitive, even if he truly took the drug he was shilling (I doubt he did), it would have a non-lethal effect.  To beat this point to death (pun intended) the black community trusts the likes of Magic, and follows his advice, that he still gives.    </p>
<p>On top of all this, there have been medical papers citing the genetic makeup of African heritage is, in fact, much more likely to ring up a &#8216;positive antibody&#8217; result just due to natural, endogenous, cellular debris/particle makeup.  This should surprise nobody, as the original basis for being &#8220;HIV-antibody positive&#8221; was concocted by the infamous Robert Gallo way back in 1984, basing his criteria on the blood of very sick, white, gay guys with all the original symptoms of so-called AIDS.  As far as I know nobody at the time tried to check that his concocted tests were appropriate for different racial groups.  Finally, there are a plethora of reports over the decades that inner-city blacks in particular have many times the health problems than the rest of the U.S. population, and these health conditions will cross-react with the (really worthless) HIV antibody tests, so this is another reason that blacks fall into the HIV+ category, and then unwittingly fall victim to the poisonous drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathyvm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathyvm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUPPORT - I second all three of you! Please spill the beans Celia. 
One small &#039;fact&#039; he quoted is that AIDS is now the third leading cause of death in men under 65. While it wasn&#039;t clear whether it was referring to men in NY or across the whole country this seems an absurd claim. Some preliminary checking of actual mortality data revealed a rather striking and very scary anomalous statistic: Black American men are dying at a rate of 6.9 times higher from &quot;HIV infection&quot; than white Americans (which fits with &#039;diagnostic&#039; rates) but Black American women are dying at a rate 15.4 times that of white women. Among whites, the ratio between men and women in &quot;HIV&quot; death rates is 4.5:1, but in Blacks it is 2:1 - clearly (again) something is very wrong with this picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SUPPORT &#8211; I second all three of you! Please spill the beans Celia.<br />
One small &#8216;fact&#8217; he quoted is that AIDS is now the third leading cause of death in men under 65. While it wasn&#8217;t clear whether it was referring to men in NY or across the whole country this seems an absurd claim. Some preliminary checking of actual mortality data revealed a rather striking and very scary anomalous statistic: Black American men are dying at a rate of 6.9 times higher from &#8220;HIV infection&#8221; than white Americans (which fits with &#8216;diagnostic&#8217; rates) but Black American women are dying at a rate 15.4 times that of white women. Among whites, the ratio between men and women in &#8220;HIV&#8221; death rates is 4.5:1, but in Blacks it is 2:1 &#8211; clearly (again) something is very wrong with this picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My email is all centralized on gmail now so there is no possibility of the perfidious and insufficient email at Time Warner blocking my mail by going over limit, Celia, so there is no danger of any email being overlooked if you phone as well.  Please confirm your own tel numbers, however, which seem to have changed.

I find email is uncertain now myself, though.  It reminds me of the editor of Wired in 2002, who told me if I wanted to connect with him to use the phone, since he couldn&#039;t handle his email any more.  David our mutual friend the lawyer has failed to respond to my several emails and phone messages for eight weeks now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My email is all centralized on gmail now so there is no possibility of the perfidious and insufficient email at Time Warner blocking my mail by going over limit, Celia, so there is no danger of any email being overlooked if you phone as well.  Please confirm your own tel numbers, however, which seem to have changed.</p>
<p>I find email is uncertain now myself, though.  It reminds me of the editor of Wired in 2002, who told me if I wanted to connect with him to use the phone, since he couldn&#8217;t handle his email any more.  David our mutual friend the lawyer has failed to respond to my several emails and phone messages for eight weeks now.</p>
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