“anti-hiv” drugs are not specific, they have broad spectrum antimicrobial effects that treat directley “oppurtunistic-infection/O.I’s” independant of “viral-load”, “cd4″.
They treat candida albicans, Kaposi Sarcoma, “pcp”, and all the other “O.I’s” that can be called “aids” sometimes with or without “hiv” presence and independant of “viral-load” and “cd4″.

P.I’s have anti apotosis effects and an sustain and even increase “cd4″ regardless of “viral-load”, they reduce apoptosis induced by classic oxidizers like AZT, radiation, hydrogen peroxide, morphine.

The arguement used above implying that the proof that “hiv” exists, or that “hiv” causes “aids” or that the diseases that can be called “aids” sometimes are caused by “aquired immune defiency/low cd4″ is proved by the “effectiveness” of “antiretrovirals/arv’s” is invalid and any scientist examining mainstream scientific and medical literature should know that.

Make sure you start at the begging of the thread this involves clicking on “first at the end of the first post in this thread otherwise you will not see dozens and dozens of papers demostrating that “arv” drugs have direct effects against “O.I’s” that can be called “aids” sometimes regardless of “viral-load” with or without “hiv” presence” and that P.I’s have oxidative stimuli reducing properties and decrease apoptosis and increase or sustain “cd4″ INDEPEBNDANT of “hiv” presence or non presence and regardless of “viral-load”.

ceramide,apoptosis,antioxidants,”cd4″,Atrophy,combo?

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Doubts on HIV’s existence ‘insane’
Clara Pirani, Medical reporter
27 October 2006

AIDS experts have labelled claims by a Perth researcher that HIV does not exist as outrageous and dangerous nonsense.

Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, a medical engineer at Royal Perth Hospital, said on Wednesday that HIV was not a retrovirus and could not be transmitted by sexual intercourse.

At a leave-to-appeal hearing on behalf of Andre Chad Parenzee – an HIV-positive man convicted of endangering the lives of three girlfriends and sentenced to 15 years in prison – Ms Papadopulos-Eleopulos said the existence of HIV had yet to be proved. She is a founder of the Perth Group of researchers who argue AIDS is not linked to HIV.

Andrew Grulich, associate professor in epidemiology at the National Centre in HIV Epidemiology and Clinical Research, described the group’s claims as “insane”.

“They have a very long and convoluted argument that has been comprehensively disproved many times,” he said.

A spokeswoman for the Royal Perth Hospital said yesterday that the hospital did not share the views of Ms Papadopulos-Eleopulos. She said Ms Papadopulos-Eleopulos did not work in HIV research or with AIDS patients.

Professor Grulich said the evidence that HIV exists was irrefutable. “How did the death rate from HIV and AIDS drop from 1000 a year to less than 200 a year in the space of one to two years when those drugs were introduced, unless there is a virus that these drugs are targeting?” he said.

“What they say is outrageous and quite dangerous because it encourages people to not be concerned about transmission.”

Ms Papadopulos-Eleopulos said the techniques used by Luc Montagnier and Robert Gallo, the scientists who discovered HIV in 1983, were flawed.

However, David Harrich, a molecular virologist from the Queensland Institute of Medical Research, said their techniques had been re-tested and verified many times since 1983.

(From David Crowe)