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	<title>Comments on: How Gallo proved that HIV was not the cause of AIDS</title>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/how-gallo-proved-that-hiv-was-not-the-cause-of-aids.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3427</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Special note: On the subject of accuracy of tests, and their import, if any, a very important post by Rebecca Culshaw has appeared today on Barnesworld, now renamed &quot;You Bet Your Life&quot;, at &lt;a href=&quot;http://barnesworld.blogs.com/barnes_world/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dear Dr. Culshaw: &quot;Well, What About Those Tests?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.

Culshaw has discovered that the inserts with AIDS tests show that the companies that make them have been backing down over the past year or two in the firmness of their statements that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

 But I doubt even more that the majority of medical practitioners are aware of the subtle but significant shift in the language used in HIV test kits since the beginning of the AIDS era. For example, from 1984 until the very recent past, test kit inserts contained the unambiguous statement â€œAIDS is caused by HIVâ€. In 2002, the OraSure toned down that statement to say: â€œAIDS, AIDS-related complex and pre-AIDS are thought to be caused by HIV.â€ (Italics mine)

But just this year, in a remarkable â€“ and potentially significant â€“ shift in thinking, the trend seems to be toward making an even less committal statement. For example, Abbott Diagnosticâ€™s ELISA test insert contains the following sentence: â€œEpidemiologic data suggest that the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) is caused by at least two types of human immunodeficiency viruses, collectively known as HIV.â€

Vironostika appears to be even less willing to support a true causal role, as their 2006 test kit insert says: â€œPublished data indicate a strong correlation between the acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) and a retrovirus referred to as Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV).â€ 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Special note: On the subject of accuracy of tests, and their import, if any, a very important post by Rebecca Culshaw has appeared today on Barnesworld, now renamed &#8220;You Bet Your Life&#8221;, at <a href="http://barnesworld.blogs.com/barnes_world/" rel="nofollow">Dear Dr. Culshaw: &#8220;Well, What About Those Tests?&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>Culshaw has discovered that the inserts with AIDS tests show that the companies that make them have been backing down over the past year or two in the firmness of their statements that HIV is the cause of AIDS.</p>
<p> But I doubt even more that the majority of medical practitioners are aware of the subtle but significant shift in the language used in HIV test kits since the beginning of the AIDS era. For example, from 1984 until the very recent past, test kit inserts contained the unambiguous statement â€œAIDS is caused by HIVâ€. In 2002, the OraSure toned down that statement to say: â€œAIDS, AIDS-related complex and pre-AIDS are thought to be caused by HIV.â€ (Italics mine)</p>
<p>But just this year, in a remarkable â€“ and potentially significant â€“ shift in thinking, the trend seems to be toward making an even less committal statement. For example, Abbott Diagnosticâ€™s ELISA test insert contains the following sentence: â€œEpidemiologic data suggest that the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) is caused by at least two types of human immunodeficiency viruses, collectively known as HIV.â€</p>
<p>Vironostika appears to be even less willing to support a true causal role, as their 2006 test kit insert says: â€œPublished data indicate a strong correlation between the acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) and a retrovirus referred to as Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV).â€</p>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/how-gallo-proved-that-hiv-was-not-the-cause-of-aids.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3426</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one, Ed. (though sorry, we do not approve of your moniker, which is misleading.  If you could see your way to posting under a different tag, it would be appreciated.)  Perhaps the intent was to distinguish betwen the presence of actual virus, as determined in the way which has been fiercely questioned later, and the indication of antibodies to it.



The truth of the matter seems to be that there is so much that is not nailed down in this area, and so many false claims made by Gallo for his lab work which was motivated at the time by the desire to replace the priority of Montagnier with his own claim, falsity revealed in later investigations by NIH officials and others, that you have to be an expert to know what can be taken seriously, if anything at all, in readings of actual viral presence, which is typically verging on non existent once the initial invasive period is over. One dreads to think what an impartial university level enquiry would come up with if it was given the responsibility of checking the lab side of HIVâˆ«AIDS for science, sense and substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one, Ed. (though sorry, we do not approve of your moniker, which is misleading.  If you could see your way to posting under a different tag, it would be appreciated.)  Perhaps the intent was to distinguish betwen the presence of actual virus, as determined in the way which has been fiercely questioned later, and the indication of antibodies to it.</p>
<p>The truth of the matter seems to be that there is so much that is not nailed down in this area, and so many false claims made by Gallo for his lab work which was motivated at the time by the desire to replace the priority of Montagnier with his own claim, falsity revealed in later investigations by NIH officials and others, that you have to be an expert to know what can be taken seriously, if anything at all, in readings of actual viral presence, which is typically verging on non existent once the initial invasive period is over. One dreads to think what an impartial university level enquiry would come up with if it was given the responsibility of checking the lab side of HIVâˆ«AIDS for science, sense and substance.</p>
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		<title>By: The Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;And perhaps your readers will also be appreciate a 1989 report in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology in which: 

&gt;&gt;Human Immunodeficiency Virus type 1 was Detected in All Seropositive Symptomatic and Asymptomatic Individuals and in None of 131 healthy HIV-1 antibody negative individuals. 
What the hell is that supposed to mean?   If seropositive for HIV, of course HIV will be &quot;detected&quot; and if HIV-antibody negative, it won&#039;t be.  

Am I missing something ?   It&#039;s like saying, &quot;Among 30 Americans who are lactose intolerant, 30 were lactose intolerant.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;And perhaps your readers will also be appreciate a 1989 report in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology in which: </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Human Immunodeficiency Virus type 1 was Detected in All Seropositive Symptomatic and Asymptomatic Individuals and in None of 131 healthy HIV-1 antibody negative individuals.<br />
What the hell is that supposed to mean?   If seropositive for HIV, of course HIV will be &#8220;detected&#8221; and if HIV-antibody negative, it won&#8217;t be.  </p>
<p>Am I missing something ?   It&#8217;s like saying, &#8220;Among 30 Americans who are lactose intolerant, 30 were lactose intolerant.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Semon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Semon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 17:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting to note that the esteemed Dr Marshall is actually revealing (5/8/06 post) for our benefit the standard of scientific evidence required in a court of law, which disallows just any scientific paper one cares to introduce in the name of &quot;fairness&quot;. 



A paper must be represented by the author testifying as an expert witness, as if this is the only way this evidence can be &quot;cross-examined&quot;. His (put-down) recitation of this standard, by rote as it were, in the response to Robert Houston only indicates a poverty of the imagination in him and our judicial system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to note that the esteemed Dr Marshall is actually revealing (5/8/06 post) for our benefit the standard of scientific evidence required in a court of law, which disallows just any scientific paper one cares to introduce in the name of &#8220;fairness&#8221;. </p>
<p>A paper must be represented by the author testifying as an expert witness, as if this is the only way this evidence can be &#8220;cross-examined&#8221;. His (put-down) recitation of this standard, by rote as it were, in the response to Robert Houston only indicates a poverty of the imagination in him and our judicial system.</p>
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