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	<title>Comments on: Living till 150 &#8211; coming soon</title>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/living-till-150-coming-soon.htm/comment-page-1#comment-5836</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Patrick, assuming you are serious, it sounds as if you are already a curmudgeon and proud of it, but wouldn&#039;t that contravene the principle that you should at least stay cheerful?   In our experience most little old ladies are very cheerful, along the lines of the delightful owner of the house where the bank robbing, fake string quintet hole up in The Ladykillers, whose original version is one of the priceless works of British cinema.  She was the classic stereotype but there are many like her in real life. In fact, we have a friend who prefers little old ladies to younger ones because of their often angelic sweetness.

Admittedly old men are often a good deal more cantankerous than when they were younger, and we recall that often at the old MOMA afternoon film showings two of them would suddenly battle it out over some imagined slight.  The theater would be dark and the movie rolling and from the seats near the screen would come a loud &quot;You are sitting in my wife&#039;s seat!&quot; or some such.  Once there was a fearful racket in the Men&#039;s Room as two such bull elephants went at each other verbally. Perhaps this only happens in Manhattan. But isn&#039;t is true that in this advanced civilization we should keep as genial as ever as we enter senior years, rather than give in to whatever hormone or lack of it is creating the problem?

Of course, as civilization advances we will all grow infinitely patient and sweet natured, but judging from New York City this will take a few more years, though on the whole it is remarkable these days how good humored even old men seem to be.  
Perhaps they have added something to the water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Patrick, assuming you are serious, it sounds as if you are already a curmudgeon and proud of it, but wouldn&#8217;t that contravene the principle that you should at least stay cheerful?   In our experience most little old ladies are very cheerful, along the lines of the delightful owner of the house where the bank robbing, fake string quintet hole up in The Ladykillers, whose original version is one of the priceless works of British cinema.  She was the classic stereotype but there are many like her in real life. In fact, we have a friend who prefers little old ladies to younger ones because of their often angelic sweetness.</p>
<p>Admittedly old men are often a good deal more cantankerous than when they were younger, and we recall that often at the old MOMA afternoon film showings two of them would suddenly battle it out over some imagined slight.  The theater would be dark and the movie rolling and from the seats near the screen would come a loud &#8220;You are sitting in my wife&#8217;s seat!&#8221; or some such.  Once there was a fearful racket in the Men&#8217;s Room as two such bull elephants went at each other verbally. Perhaps this only happens in Manhattan. But isn&#8217;t is true that in this advanced civilization we should keep as genial as ever as we enter senior years, rather than give in to whatever hormone or lack of it is creating the problem?</p>
<p>Of course, as civilization advances we will all grow infinitely patient and sweet natured, but judging from New York City this will take a few more years, though on the whole it is remarkable these days how good humored even old men seem to be.<br />
Perhaps they have added something to the water.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God forbid I ever live that long. What a fucking drag that would be on my tax-paying loved ones. They would murder me before anyway because of my loud orifice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God forbid I ever live that long. What a fucking drag that would be on my tax-paying loved ones. They would murder me before anyway because of my loud orifice.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/living-till-150-coming-soon.htm/comment-page-1#comment-5833</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rather sad program on PBS 13 in NYC tonight emphasizes your realistic point, which is well taken.  It showed how much effort is being put into caring for the aged by their families these days, when they (the aging ones) fail in their duty to kick the bucket before they cant look after themselves.   

Possibly Ted Turner and a few others who have some native talent at keeping their energy past sixty - my lunch club, the renowned Dutch Treat Club for editors, writers, publishers, actors and others in the arts boasts a large number of these exceptional people, it is really quite impressive to see how well some people wear &lt;i&gt;internally&lt;/i&gt; even as they fall apart &lt;i&gt;externally&lt;/i&gt; - but the fact is Barbara was unable to conceal the decay of the skin and other parts of the body which attacks old people regardless, even if they keep up a judicious diet.  The natural inclination we have to keep ourselves and everyone else we love alive even if they are falling apart or radically wounded or crippled in combat is something that seems unlikely to last for ever, given the gigantic costs that will attend the top heavy pyramid that is coming soon. 

So we are sympathetic to the government&#039;s attitude, whether it is explicit or not, to extend euthanasia under the cloak of legal drink and tobacco.  What would you suggest, otherwise?  There is something quite mad about keeping people alive in a state of coma or total mental collapse due to age, which so often results in bankrupting their family, or taking all their inheritance, or using up the life of their sons or daughters who look after them, for no great benefit to the patients themselves, who often dont have any idea where they are.

By the way abject poverty is not a very pleasant state but what about poverty?  You could imagine that old people need very little other than good food, shelter, somewhere sunny to walk and some pursuit like chess or gardening to keep them very happy.  One imagines that many people could become a lot more philosophical and content without great expenditures in their old age.  It is illness that threatens to break the public bank.

With a rich mental life fed by cable tv and a chess set an older rational man who didn&#039;t fall ill could get by quite contentedly, surely, as long as he had some kind of social life and community when he needed it.  The centenarians seemed very happy in Barbara&#039;s documentary without yachts and airplanes, as far as one could see.  

One imagines in the future that as responsible citizens we will all keep suicide pills handy and take them before becoming a burden to others, and observe a duty to stay cheerful until that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rather sad program on PBS 13 in NYC tonight emphasizes your realistic point, which is well taken.  It showed how much effort is being put into caring for the aged by their families these days, when they (the aging ones) fail in their duty to kick the bucket before they cant look after themselves.   </p>
<p>Possibly Ted Turner and a few others who have some native talent at keeping their energy past sixty &#8211; my lunch club, the renowned Dutch Treat Club for editors, writers, publishers, actors and others in the arts boasts a large number of these exceptional people, it is really quite impressive to see how well some people wear <i>internally</i> even as they fall apart <i>externally</i> &#8211; but the fact is Barbara was unable to conceal the decay of the skin and other parts of the body which attacks old people regardless, even if they keep up a judicious diet.  The natural inclination we have to keep ourselves and everyone else we love alive even if they are falling apart or radically wounded or crippled in combat is something that seems unlikely to last for ever, given the gigantic costs that will attend the top heavy pyramid that is coming soon. </p>
<p>So we are sympathetic to the government&#8217;s attitude, whether it is explicit or not, to extend euthanasia under the cloak of legal drink and tobacco.  What would you suggest, otherwise?  There is something quite mad about keeping people alive in a state of coma or total mental collapse due to age, which so often results in bankrupting their family, or taking all their inheritance, or using up the life of their sons or daughters who look after them, for no great benefit to the patients themselves, who often dont have any idea where they are.</p>
<p>By the way abject poverty is not a very pleasant state but what about poverty?  You could imagine that old people need very little other than good food, shelter, somewhere sunny to walk and some pursuit like chess or gardening to keep them very happy.  One imagines that many people could become a lot more philosophical and content without great expenditures in their old age.  It is illness that threatens to break the public bank.</p>
<p>With a rich mental life fed by cable tv and a chess set an older rational man who didn&#8217;t fall ill could get by quite contentedly, surely, as long as he had some kind of social life and community when he needed it.  The centenarians seemed very happy in Barbara&#8217;s documentary without yachts and airplanes, as far as one could see.  </p>
<p>One imagines in the future that as responsible citizens we will all keep suicide pills handy and take them before becoming a burden to others, and observe a duty to stay cheerful until that time.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinDKessler</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartinDKessler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reality check:  Our economy is not set up for anyone (other than the very wealthy) to live much past the age of 65 much less to 150.  Think about it the age 80, 90 maybe even 120 would be come the new 50 or 60 or whatever.  That late a retirement would be devasting to the workforce - the health care system already on the verge of collapse might be in serious jepeordy (did I spell that right?).  Why does the government keep dangerous habit forming drugs like tobbacco and alcohol etc on the market - to keep people alive?  The government would really like us to die at 65 or maybe 70 ie the moment they retire.  I don&#039;t think anyone would like to live a very long time after retirement in abject poverty and also with some chronic non lethal illness or debilitated in some way like in a wheelchair.  Soylent Green anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality check:  Our economy is not set up for anyone (other than the very wealthy) to live much past the age of 65 much less to 150.  Think about it the age 80, 90 maybe even 120 would be come the new 50 or 60 or whatever.  That late a retirement would be devasting to the workforce &#8211; the health care system already on the verge of collapse might be in serious jepeordy (did I spell that right?).  Why does the government keep dangerous habit forming drugs like tobbacco and alcohol etc on the market &#8211; to keep people alive?  The government would really like us to die at 65 or maybe 70 ie the moment they retire.  I don&#8217;t think anyone would like to live a very long time after retirement in abject poverty and also with some chronic non lethal illness or debilitated in some way like in a wheelchair.  Soylent Green anyone?</p>
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