However not all onlookers are as sane and have as much direct horse sense as you do, and you’ll have to forgive us if we go on and on at great length in simple terms to get newcomers to understand what is going on on the premise that at least the basic premise of the paradigm is right, and that the Virus is present at some point somewhere in the vast research structure that has been built to examine and describe it at the coast of so many millions.

The whole scheme is such a scientific mess that triumphant iconoclasts may go overboard and say it is a Fantasy Virus as well as a Fantasy Pandemic, and that Duesberg is right about the latter but wrong about the former, which is a big relief for them since they can’t stand him to be too often right for some reason.

But to us that is like saying a totally inaccurate copy of the NIH campus built out of Leggo is wrong because Leggo bricks don’t exist as such. Bit of a stretch, never really justified very persuasively here at this site despite being given all the rope in the world, and the establishment thinkers who joined in being made the target of as much abuse as such Total Rethinkers could throw at them..

We currently find Duesberg’s logic and evidence here as persuasive as the rest of his response to the HIV∫AIDS claims and that they defeat the suggestions that it is all an Fantasy Virus as well as a Fantasy Pandemic, but if you have proof he isn’t right why don’t you produce the relevant persuasive reasoning and paper(s)?

He is certainly right about everything else, to the extent anyone can be right about anything as questionable and corrupt as a body of scientific literature based on theoretical nonsense and if you don’t believe that simply read the papers he wrote and compare them with the comments on AIDSTruth.org, especially the ones where his predictions have all proved out whereas none of the HIV∫AIDS priests have. Validity is gauged by accurate predictions in science.

That should tell a man like yourself everything, since you have such impatience with claptrap. An impatience which we share, by the way. Pointing out that HIV is not the cause of AIDS and that the Virus is not There in patients is beginning to seem like writing posts on the Sun coming up in the East every morning. Sooner or later we will adopt your swinging style and say The Hell With It! After all, what is the point of fighting human nature?

But if you want to show the vaunted Virus is nothing but bits and pieces you have to explain why the world says otherwise, and why a very great scientist is suddenly wrong on this one huge point. References, please, if you have any we haven’t quoted. Or if you can’t produce any, is there something else that Duesberg has said that you can show is wrong? Surely this man can’t be such a good scientist and writer as well?

By the way, what is it that you dislike about giving a man his due, if he happens to be a great scientist? Always wondered about this odd envy, or whatever it is.

He’s wrong, chump, and he’s been wrong for 20 years. He’s right about azt, but wrong about the nothing broken crap in Robert Gallo’s cancer dishes being anything worth talking about, and everybody knows it.

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY OCEANIA!