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		<title>By: Mark Biernbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Biernbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maurice is right.  They have the power.  We have some smart folks, and a homophobe or two.  And the facts, but as Maurice indicates, and I agree, those are irrelevant.
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;TS, I would think that any publicity that John Peemore gives to your site can only help! I mean, you know the old saying, the only bad publicity is no publicity. He may stupidly be sending a lot more people to your site.&lt;/i&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;Between Moore and Specter these past couple weeks, the so-called &quot;denialists&quot; are getting quite a bit of free publicity.  Makes me wonder if there&#039;s some self-sabotage going on with the orthodoxy at the moment.</description>
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<p>Between Moore and Specter these past couple weeks, the so-called &#8220;denialists&#8221; are getting quite a bit of free publicity.  Makes me wonder if there&#8217;s some self-sabotage going on with the orthodoxy at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to post this yesterday but got a new error message which I don&#039;t recall...something about &quot;parameters&quot; I think
&lt;br /&gt;*****
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&lt;br /&gt;TS, I would think that any publicity that John Peemore gives to your site can only help! I mean, you know the old saying, the only bad publicity is no publicity. He may stupidly be sending a lot more people to your site.
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&lt;br /&gt;I must confess to slapping my hand against my forehead from time to time when I read your musings about &quot;why would he do this?...a reputable institution like Cornell...&quot; etc.
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&lt;br /&gt;I will make it easy for you. AIDS religionists do it because they are CORRUPT! Cornell does it because Cornell is CORRUPT! The New Yorker does it because the New Yorker is CORRUPT, as is every other media establishment in our state-corporate controlled media.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;CORRUPTION is what is behind all the bullshit we are having to endure in this ridiculous epoch of world history.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;And you&#039;re not going to end it by reasoning with them. No matter how many wonderful editorials you write, no matter how much the facts are on your side, it doesn&#039;t matter. The facts are not relevant. What is relevant is raw power. They have the power, they have the corruption, and they will kill billions before they would even consider coming clean.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;The truth would destroy them. It would destroy Peemore, it would destroy Cornell, it would destroy the NYT and CNN and BBC and the US government and the pharmaceutical, science research and Doctor Industries. It would end US &quot;science leadership&quot; in the world and destabilize the world population, possibly making the masses really angry, enough to mass in the streets and try to take the world back from the corrupt Lords of the earth.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&quot;They&quot; won&#039;t let that happen.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;And my prediction is, that judge will not send the appeal onward, because he is going to be tampered with by the unseen hand.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;Just as I strongly suspect Manto was made sick in a covert operation in order to destroy her credibility. Even if she doesn&#039;t die, she no longer has any credibility. Nobody will take health advice from a woman perceived as unable to even keep herself healthy. 
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;Not that the situation is hopeless, but I feel that the only effective route is to communicate with the people on a grassroots basis, one to one, and on the internet. It is largely a waste of time to think that you&#039;re going to persuade the corrupt ones who have the power, to see the light. Corruption blinds one totally.
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&lt;br /&gt;They will never admit being wrong. As I predicted in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenhf.com/articles_117.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;, perhaps the only way out for Aids Inc. is to assert something like &quot;the virus is mutating into a harmless form.&quot;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;That prediction was validated a year or so ago, when we saw new headlines, &quot;AIDS virus is weakening,&quot; which were obviously floated as a trial balloon. But apparently Aids Inc. were still having so much fun living the high life that they refused to pursue this avenue out, and the trial balloon popped.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;Since Aids is a political, not a scientific disease, reasoning with them won&#039;t work. These people are not interested in truth, only power. They will not accept responsibility or punishment for their actions. So we must force them to revive &quot;the virus is mutating into a harmless form&quot; as the way out.
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&lt;br /&gt;All that we can do is pressure them, continue to turn the screws on them, by making as many people as possible aware of the murderous falsity of &quot;Aids Science.&quot;  The easiest way to do this is to introduce the subject to other people who are receptive to dissident thought...i.e., dissidents in other fields, who know all too well how difficult it is to be a dissident, and have their own experience of going up against the corruption of those in power, particularly the mass media. 
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;9-11 skeptics, for one example. That is a very big movement, much bigger than ours. These are people who have broken free of the thought police who patrol the gates of both &quot;liberal&quot; and &quot;conservative&quot; dogma. We should work on educating the alternative health and natural living people who are fighting against Codex. Ex-hippies. Other marginalized groups.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;Then they will start telling others, and awareness can snowball, to the point that the establishment feel threatened enough to reluctantly terminate this party (and what a swell party it was!) that they&#039;ve had at the expense of the taxpayers and millions of ruined lives.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;So, John Peemore, if you&#039;re reading this, I propose that you and your colleagues latch onto &quot;the virus is mutating into a harmless form&quot; in order to save your collective asses. You won&#039;t go to jail and won&#039;t be sued. You won&#039;t swing like Saddam did, though you are far more deserving of it than he was. You will keep your mansions and Mercedeses.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;Of course after you implement this solution, I will brag to everybody on the net that it was my idea. But it won&#039;t matter. The Big Media will never report what I say. 
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&lt;br /&gt;So do it, fella! You&#039;ll feel better about yourself and be able to sleep at night.</description>
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<p>TS, I would think that any publicity that John Peemore gives to your site can only help! I mean, you know the old saying, the only bad publicity is no publicity. He may stupidly be sending a lot more people to your site.</p>
<p>I must confess to slapping my hand against my forehead from time to time when I read your musings about &#8220;why would he do this?&#8230;a reputable institution like Cornell&#8230;&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>I will make it easy for you. AIDS religionists do it because they are CORRUPT! Cornell does it because Cornell is CORRUPT! The New Yorker does it because the New Yorker is CORRUPT, as is every other media establishment in our state-corporate controlled media.</p>
<p>CORRUPTION is what is behind all the bullshit we are having to endure in this ridiculous epoch of world history.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re not going to end it by reasoning with them. No matter how many wonderful editorials you write, no matter how much the facts are on your side, it doesn&#8217;t matter. The facts are not relevant. What is relevant is raw power. They have the power, they have the corruption, and they will kill billions before they would even consider coming clean.</p>
<p>The truth would destroy them. It would destroy Peemore, it would destroy Cornell, it would destroy the NYT and CNN and BBC and the US government and the pharmaceutical, science research and Doctor Industries. It would end US &#8220;science leadership&#8221; in the world and destabilize the world population, possibly making the masses really angry, enough to mass in the streets and try to take the world back from the corrupt Lords of the earth.</p>
<p>&#8220;They&#8221; won&#8217;t let that happen.</p>
<p>And my prediction is, that judge will not send the appeal onward, because he is going to be tampered with by the unseen hand.</p>
<p>Just as I strongly suspect Manto was made sick in a covert operation in order to destroy her credibility. Even if she doesn&#8217;t die, she no longer has any credibility. Nobody will take health advice from a woman perceived as unable to even keep herself healthy. </p>
<p>Not that the situation is hopeless, but I feel that the only effective route is to communicate with the people on a grassroots basis, one to one, and on the internet. It is largely a waste of time to think that you&#8217;re going to persuade the corrupt ones who have the power, to see the light. Corruption blinds one totally.</p>
<p>They will never admit being wrong. As I predicted in <a href="http://www.thenhf.com/articles_117.htm" rel="nofollow">this article</a>, perhaps the only way out for Aids Inc. is to assert something like &#8220;the virus is mutating into a harmless form.&#8221;</p>
<p>That prediction was validated a year or so ago, when we saw new headlines, &#8220;AIDS virus is weakening,&#8221; which were obviously floated as a trial balloon. But apparently Aids Inc. were still having so much fun living the high life that they refused to pursue this avenue out, and the trial balloon popped.</p>
<p>Since Aids is a political, not a scientific disease, reasoning with them won&#8217;t work. These people are not interested in truth, only power. They will not accept responsibility or punishment for their actions. So we must force them to revive &#8220;the virus is mutating into a harmless form&#8221; as the way out.</p>
<p>All that we can do is pressure them, continue to turn the screws on them, by making as many people as possible aware of the murderous falsity of &#8220;Aids Science.&#8221;  The easiest way to do this is to introduce the subject to other people who are receptive to dissident thought&#8230;i.e., dissidents in other fields, who know all too well how difficult it is to be a dissident, and have their own experience of going up against the corruption of those in power, particularly the mass media. </p>
<p>9-11 skeptics, for one example. That is a very big movement, much bigger than ours. These are people who have broken free of the thought police who patrol the gates of both &#8220;liberal&#8221; and &#8220;conservative&#8221; dogma. We should work on educating the alternative health and natural living people who are fighting against Codex. Ex-hippies. Other marginalized groups.</p>
<p>Then they will start telling others, and awareness can snowball, to the point that the establishment feel threatened enough to reluctantly terminate this party (and what a swell party it was!) that they&#8217;ve had at the expense of the taxpayers and millions of ruined lives.</p>
<p>So, John Peemore, if you&#8217;re reading this, I propose that you and your colleagues latch onto &#8220;the virus is mutating into a harmless form&#8221; in order to save your collective asses. You won&#8217;t go to jail and won&#8217;t be sued. You won&#8217;t swing like Saddam did, though you are far more deserving of it than he was. You will keep your mansions and Mercedeses.</p>
<p>Of course after you implement this solution, I will brag to everybody on the net that it was my idea. But it won&#8217;t matter. The Big Media will never report what I say. </p>
<p>So do it, fella! You&#8217;ll feel better about yourself and be able to sleep at night.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/new-yorker-slams-denialists.htm/comment-page-2#comment-4329</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an interesting article on poz.com that gives Larry Kramer&#039;s self-congratulatory speech on ACT-UP&#039;s twenty-something year anniversary. He takes personal credit for all he perceived ACT UP as doing and derides everyone else as not doing anything. 
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;ACT UP did work to force the FDA to fast-track AZT and ddI.  But it failed in that both drugs&#039; long term effects caused death.  The fast track legacy continues with the Vioxx deaths.  
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;ACT UP did work to force more government funding for HIV research.  But it failed in that twenty years later that research has yielded nothing but toxic drugs.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;ACT UP did falsely empower gay men in the 80s. But it failed in that twenty years later gays are called openly &quot;faggot&quot; (at least Reagan only said it behind closed doors), and called immoral.  Even Larry would admit that.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;ACT UP is almost as dead as the 1/2 million gone from AIDS in the US. The construct of AIDS has largely gone to Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an interesting article on poz.com that gives Larry Kramer&#8217;s self-congratulatory speech on ACT-UP&#8217;s twenty-something year anniversary. He takes personal credit for all he perceived ACT UP as doing and derides everyone else as not doing anything. </p>
<p>ACT UP did work to force the FDA to fast-track AZT and ddI.  But it failed in that both drugs&#8217; long term effects caused death.  The fast track legacy continues with the Vioxx deaths.  </p>
<p>ACT UP did work to force more government funding for HIV research.  But it failed in that twenty years later that research has yielded nothing but toxic drugs.</p>
<p>ACT UP did falsely empower gay men in the 80s. But it failed in that twenty years later gays are called openly &#8220;faggot&#8221; (at least Reagan only said it behind closed doors), and called immoral.  Even Larry would admit that.</p>
<p>ACT UP is almost as dead as the 1/2 million gone from AIDS in the US. The construct of AIDS has largely gone to Africa.</p>
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