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Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 31, 2007 7:23:26 AM EDT

Mark Biernbaum () ():

Dan noted:

“I think the psychological and sociological factors that sustain “AIDS” are the core of the matter, and understanding them may be the quickest route to resolution. I suppose I’m saying that I’m impatient and just want to find a way to “cut to the chase”.”

I couldn’t agree more about the psychological and sociological factors — those factors are, unfortunately, self-sustaining and very hard to combat; they are resistant to change in the worst way. For many, both diagnosed and undiagnosed, “gay identity” has fused with “AIDS.” I can’t remember which writer said it, but he referred to it as the “AIDSification of homosexuality.” But this is why patience is so important. People don’t change overnight psychologically, regardless of what internal problems they are facing. Psychological change is rather slow, especially when sociologically, there is no impetus for the change. It’s one step at at time, small victories. I just try to get guys to think about the fact that folks are not dying like they used to, and to reflect on who died and what else might have contributed. I’ve had guys who are enmeshed in the meme, tell me that they think some guys just gave up. So I think there is a way in, and a way to open people’s minds, but it requires genteleness and patience.

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 31, 2007 5:55:41 AM EDT

noreen martin (robmartin1@comcast.net) ():

AIDS is due to a combination of many things, which most of us are aware of. The only difference is that some were smart enough to take a collection of many symptoms and add them all together and give them all a new name. AIDS, HIV or whatever you want to call it is trash. It only has power over “you,” if you let it. “Think sick, be sick.” So my advice to all is to live a healthy life-style, to maintain one’s thoughts on the positive side and you will be at peace with yourself and live a long life and a happy life!

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 30, 2007 9:02:02 PM EDT

Glider ():

Nestle,

Your post above is intriguing both for what it says and what it doesn’t. I’m delighted to see my observations partially validated by others (and I never expected my theory to explain everything about AIDS because AIDS today is so broadly and poorly defined), but I’m left to wonder who are these “more than a few” you refer to? Are you a scientist, or are you somehow connected to a group who discusses such things?

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 30, 2007 2:15:51 PM EDT

Glider ():

Dan,

I’m glad to learn that your weariness is not the result of being down. I certainly agree that the psychological and sociological factors are key, but I feel I’m ill-equipped to understand them well enough to make sense of it all. I have a sense of these things, an inchoate dreamlike impression that I can’t adequately verbalize, that I’m most aware of when I talk to gay men who seem to have a need for HIV, and for AIDS even. I can’t rationalize it. So I think the only way for me to really contribute is to attack logically, plodding though it certainly is, as if I’m trying to solve a sudoku puzzle.

And Nestle, thanks for the link. It seems everywhere I look the signs keep pointing back to the gut and the mucosal lining of the intestines. I’m going to keep following those signs.

Glider

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 30, 2007 3:28:44 PM EDT

Nestle (nestle@hotmail.com) ():

Glider,

Although your theory may not explain all of what is called ‘AIDS’, and some of the connections may turn out to be different than thought, there are more than a few who feel that the underlying reason the immunodeficiency parts of grid got started was indeed the scenario you have come upon. KS, the hallmark and identifying disease early on, a direct result of the nitrite inhalants, and the destruction of mucosal immunity etc. the results of antibiotic over-use and the other things you enumerate.

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 30, 2007 12:54:49 PM EDT

Dan () ():

Anyway, I do understand how you might be growing weary of all of this, Dan. I have mostly good days, but occasionally the craziness of it all gets me down too.

Tired? Yes. Down? No.

My perspective is changing in all of this. Although I understand the importance of deconstructing the paradigm through pointing out the glaring errors of the science used to construct it, I’m finding that to be a plodding process that actually relies on a willingness to bypass the fear and hysteria inherent in the paradigm. I think the psychological and sociological factors that sustain “AIDS” are the core of the matter, and understanding them may be the quickest route to resolution. I suppose I’m saying that I’m impatient and just want to find a way to “cut to the chase”.

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 30, 2007 1:38:17 PM EDT

Nestle (nestle@hotmail.com) ():

Glider

As for why breast milk may be protective, the researchers speculated that the mucous membrane within the intestines may act as a barrier to HIV infection, and that breast milk may reinforce this lining

http://barnesworld.blogs.com/barnes_world/
2007/03/breastfeeding_m.html

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 29, 2007 11:25:06 PM EDT

Douglas Bishop (douglasbishop@hotmail.com) (http://aidsmyth.com.addr/):

I know I’m stepping on hallowed ground but there is something about your topic, of the need for flora in the digestive system, that may relate to my condition.

I have had a discomfort in my stomach which has impaired my body reactions for the last several years. It was diagnosed as Parkinson’s two years ago. The usual medication has improved my condition but doesn’t approach a cure. Numerous tests ie. MRI, ultra sound, endoscopy, colonoscopy, blood tests, stool tests etc. have turned up nothing.

A couple of weeks ago I went to the local casino for dinner and a show. I stuffed myself with the fresh made sourdough bread and surprisingly found that I was not only more comfortable but also faired better throughout the evening and was able to walk the distances in the casino and parking lot without the usual impairment.

I’ve since taken up baking my own bread and feeling somewhat better.

I am not HIV+ so far as I know. The last time I tested was over 10 years ago. Am I on to something?

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 30, 2007 12:14:01 AM EDT

Truthseeker (truthseeker@textgenie.com) ():

I’ve enjoyed this and other AIDS blogs, but I’m tired of the hand-wringing over endless, unnecessary minutiae. It’s incredibly simple…AIDS is a crock.

A very scientific and clarifying statement, Dan, and as such, welcome on this blog.

One day the fact that so many people were misled by so few for so long at such great cost to their health and even their lives is going to be the prize example of social delusion quoted by all who reflect on human nature.

It really is very simple at root. One day in 1984 a notoriously inventive scientist and an opportunistic politician made an announcement to the world’s press which had no basis in scientific fact, but was of such great advantage to so many people that it became a cultural given.

The effect of such an assumption is that even when people notice it doesn’t make sense they just assume they don’t understand it well enough and move on.

Today we were briefly at some absurd presentations at the Population Conference at the Marriot Marquis, where the epidemiology of HIV among sex workers in India and Thailand was traced, without regard to sense or science.

But afterwards we talked to an unusually alert young woman from Emory University who told us that she had noticed a while back in some similar studies that rates of transmission were too low to sustain an epidemic let alone a pandemic.

She had briefly wondered what was up but then passed on to her proper realm of studies (the use of contraception).

“I was only a student” she said.

We gave her a card with New AIDS Review emblazoned on it.

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 29, 2007 5:08:09 PM EDT

Mark Biernbaum () ():

Glider — I think a lot of what you say has merit, and I too have had success — a lot actually, talking to gay men about this POV. Dan — do you realize that you sound like a victim? It seems to me that you always portray yourself as somehow victimized by gay men — who don’t agree with you, or don’t share your views on things. Now you say you’ve been victimized by having a gay identity. What I’m trying to get at — not probably very well, so excuse me for that — is that you, Dan, are playing the role of the victim here. If you feel victimized, then all you will see around you, are other victims. Seems like Glider and I have found receptive audiences for these messages. Certainly, gay men and the community as a whole have participated in our own victimization by the AIDS establishment, but it also seems that people are having success getting this message across (glider, myself, others). Perhaps it’s not the message that’s the problem — perhaps it’s the messenger. Perhaps if you could overcome your own feelings of victimization, things would change.

Subject: new comment on John Moore’s untruth
Date: March 29, 2007 1:28:59 PM EDT

Glider ():

Thanks Dan. I’ve been bringing up my idea a lot lately and everyone I talk to, particularly gay men, seem to get it. It makes sense and it answers a lot of questions.

One thing I considered when I was thinking this all through was what would be predicted if my idea was correct. Well, one thing you would expect to find is that HIV+ people, particularly those in risk groups, would display increased intestinal permeability. Another expectation would be that those who are most ill would be those whose gut was most compromised and unable to absorb nutrients. This study of 88 HIV+ patients showed just that, stating that “Increased intestinal permeability was found in all subgroups of patients,” and “Malabsorption correlated significantly (r = 0.34-0.56, p < 0.005) with the degree of immune suppression."

Another thing you would expect to find if my idea is on the right track is that HIV negative people in risk groups would tend to have higher-than-normal baseline levels of antibodies—though not yet high enough to be reactive on the "HIV" tests. I found just such a study a few weeks ago and now can't relocate it. (I'll keep looking for that study and if I find it I'll post it.) It essentially showed that HIV negative gay men frequently had elevated levels of antibodies. Some would say this is because of exposure to a variety of pathogens. I suspect this is more correlated with the earliest signs of damage to the gut.

Anyway, I do understand how you might be growing weary of all of this, Dan. I have mostly good days, but occasionally the craziness of it all gets me down too.

Glider

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Subject: new comment on John Moore's untruth
Date: March 29, 2007 4:02:56 PM EDT

Glider ():

One of the more frequent questions I get when I talk to people about the dissident POV in general and my ideas specifically is why, if HIV doesn't cause AIDS, do the drugs (the protease inhibitors) seem to be working in a lot of people. Well, regardless of what role, if any, HIV plays in it all, if the basic problem is fungal then the answer is pretty simple: Protease inhibitors inhibit fungi. This study found that indinavir and ritonavir inhibited the aspartyl proteases in candida and stated “…patients receiving PI therapy may benefit from a direct anticandidal activity of these drugs.” And this study suggests that PIs have a similar effect on PCP, also one of the original AIDS-defining diseases, now known to be caused by a fungus.

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