Comments on: Researchers shoot wing off HIV drug rationale http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/researchers-shoot-wing-off-hiv-drug-rationale.htm Reviewing scientific paradigms and other general beliefs in the light of the scientific and professional literature Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:57:56 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Glider http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/researchers-shoot-wing-off-hiv-drug-rationale.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2917 Glider Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:47:03 +0000 http://paradigmoverthrow.com/blog/?p=310#comment-2917 Thanks Harvey. I understand now.And in case I wasn't clear in any way, let me say that I don't think HIV has any role whatsoever in the development of AIDS or the condition which I think underlies much of what is called AIDS, LGS. Instead, I think LGS, once it becomes severe enough, causes you to produce antibodies of sufficient quantity and variety to consistently register false-positive on the tests.Then, I think LGS causes: the illusion of disappearing t-cells as more and more t-cells are deployed to the walls of the intestines and away from the blood; malnutrition, leading to immune suppression, as the intestinal tract becomes increasingly unable to absorb nutrients; the impression of a latency period because there is a delay of years between the time when the condition is severe enough to cause false-positive test results and the time when it worsens to the point of causing obvious illness (assuming the sufferer doesn't address the condition).What causes LGS? Though there are many known causes, in my experience in the gay community I think the chief culprit is antibiotic overuse. Everyone's heard the stories about guys in the late '70s and early '80s taking antibiotics as a precaution before going to the bathhouses. It really happened. I also knew guys who would use tetracycline before going to the pool or the beach to make their skin more sensitive to sunlight so they would tan quicker. And they would pass the bottle around to anyone who wanted them. Though I can honestly say I've used antibiotics only for legitimate reasons, I've done so far more often than I care to admit. I'll leave the reasons to your imagination.Glider Thanks Harvey. I understand now.And in case I wasn’t clear in any way, let me say that I don’t think HIV has any role whatsoever in the development of AIDS or the condition which I think underlies much of what is called AIDS, LGS. Instead, I think LGS, once it becomes severe enough, causes you to produce antibodies of sufficient quantity and variety to consistently register false-positive on the tests.Then, I think LGS causes: the illusion of disappearing t-cells as more and more t-cells are deployed to the walls of the intestines and away from the blood; malnutrition, leading to immune suppression, as the intestinal tract becomes increasingly unable to absorb nutrients; the impression of a latency period because there is a delay of years between the time when the condition is severe enough to cause false-positive test results and the time when it worsens to the point of causing obvious illness (assuming the sufferer doesn’t address the condition).What causes LGS? Though there are many known causes, in my experience in the gay community I think the chief culprit is antibiotic overuse. Everyone’s heard the stories about guys in the late ’70s and early ’80s taking antibiotics as a precaution before going to the bathhouses. It really happened. I also knew guys who would use tetracycline before going to the pool or the beach to make their skin more sensitive to sunlight so they would tan quicker. And they would pass the bottle around to anyone who wanted them. Though I can honestly say I’ve used antibiotics only for legitimate reasons, I’ve done so far more often than I care to admit. I’ll leave the reasons to your imagination.Glider

]]> By: Tryptophan Bialy http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/researchers-shoot-wing-off-hiv-drug-rationale.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2916 Tryptophan Bialy Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:05:20 +0000 http://paradigmoverthrow.com/blog/?p=310#comment-2916 Glider,It was mostly an excuse to mix metaphors in what I imagined was an amusing manner, and was only meant to point out (ever so gently) what you already do know and mostly did in your comment,i.e. dissociate the "baby" HIV 100% from AIDS.And mostly, your instructive comment made me think of the other stuff re Africa that I have not put quite so succintly before.Na mas. Pase un buen domingo.Harvey "Dr. Tryptophan" (to my former Nigerian students) Bialy Glider,It was mostly an excuse to mix metaphors in what I imagined was an amusing manner, and was only meant to point out (ever so gently) what you already do know and mostly did in your comment,i.e. dissociate the “baby” HIV 100% from AIDS.And mostly, your instructive comment made me think of the other stuff re Africa that I have not put quite so succintly before.Na mas. Pase un buen domingo.Harvey “Dr. Tryptophan” (to my former Nigerian students) Bialy

]]> By: Glider http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/researchers-shoot-wing-off-hiv-drug-rationale.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2915 Glider Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:42:28 +0000 http://paradigmoverthrow.com/blog/?p=310#comment-2915 Tryptophan Bialy,I feel a bit stupid admitting it, but I'm not exactly sure which baby I neglected to throw out. Will you explain again?Thanks,Glider Tryptophan Bialy,I feel a bit stupid admitting it, but I’m not exactly sure which baby I neglected to throw out. Will you explain again?Thanks,Glider

]]> By: Tryptophan Bialy http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/researchers-shoot-wing-off-hiv-drug-rationale.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2914 Tryptophan Bialy Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:00:34 +0000 http://paradigmoverthrow.com/blog/?p=310#comment-2914 Glider, You have hit several nails on the head and simultaneously too. However, to swtich metaphors, you neglected to throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. As you know so well, it has been many, many moons since the "A" in "AIDS" had any meaning and that it has been "I" for infectious since 1984. And as you also know so well, the Robin Weiss et al. proclamation in Nature that they had discovered the receptor for "the causative agent of Aids" has never been exposed to any serious challenge. This horrendous state of affairs has allowed for every single experimental finding to be reinterpreted into an unassailable thought (sic) construct in terms of a virus that puts the wiliest of Odyssean liars to everlasting shame, as your pull-quotes show so well. One gets so tired of saying the sky is blue and the grass is green and that AIDS without HIV quickly dissolves into a variety of very unsexy conditions like LGS or drug-induced stupidity, or an HPV infection that cannot be parlayed into grounds for lifelong disability income, and most importantly into the plethora of infections that have increasingly plagued Africa since the World Bank and its inverted development (sic) projects arrived to replace overt colonialsm in the '80s. <a href="http://barnesworld.blogs.com/barnes_world/2006/08/how_aids_in_afr_1.html" rel="nofollow">Hank had it nailed with one golden spike yesterday </a>when he quoted the man who renamed Mapapopa ('The Mother of All Water Falls' in Ndembeli) Victoria for his queen and country (both puns very much intended 'Drs'. Moore, Bennett, Smith et al.). We must find new lands from which we can easily obtain raw materials and at the same time exploit the cheap slave labor that is available from the natives of the colonies. The colonies would also provide a dumping ground for the surplus goods produced in our factories. Glider,

You have hit several nails on the head and simultaneously too. However, to swtich metaphors, you neglected to throw the baby out with the dirty bath water.

As you know so well, it has been many, many moons since the “A” in “AIDS” had any meaning and that it has been “I” for infectious since 1984. And as you also know so well, the Robin Weiss et al. proclamation in Nature that they had discovered the receptor for “the causative agent of Aids” has never been exposed to any serious challenge. This horrendous state of affairs has allowed for every single experimental finding to be reinterpreted into an unassailable thought (sic) construct in terms of a virus that puts the wiliest of Odyssean liars to everlasting shame, as your pull-quotes show so well.

One gets so tired of saying the sky is blue and the grass is green and that AIDS without HIV quickly dissolves into a variety of very unsexy conditions like LGS or drug-induced stupidity, or an HPV infection that cannot be parlayed into grounds for lifelong disability income, and most importantly into the plethora of infections that have increasingly plagued Africa since the World Bank and its inverted development (sic) projects arrived to replace overt colonialsm in the ’80s.

Hank had it nailed with one golden spike yesterday when he quoted the man who renamed Mapapopa (’The Mother of All Water Falls’ in Ndembeli) Victoria for his queen and country (both puns very much intended ‘Drs’. Moore, Bennett, Smith et al.).

We must find new lands from which we can easily obtain raw materials and at the same time exploit the cheap slave labor that is available from the natives of the colonies. The colonies would also provide a dumping ground for the surplus goods produced in our factories.

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