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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceguardian.com/blog/saving-the-chimps-from-scientists.htm/comment-page-11#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bialyzebub</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me a dirty dog, but I am in receipt of an email from Michael Geiger that was addressed to Prof. Trrll and copied to TS as well, and since I see that the TS has referred to this indefatigable poseur by his right name, I am at a loss as to why he did not reproduce the rest of Mr. Geiger&#039;s wonderful letter because what opened even these jaded eyes wider than wide was to discover that this grossly inept defender of viral AIDS is a PHARMACOLOGIST who studies the toxicity of AMPHETAMINES.



The open letter to TRRLL:



&quot;I read your remarks on New Aids Review as &quot;trrll&quot; and I am absolutely amazed at your seemingly mindless responses and inability to see any other side to the HIV AIDS issue than you do. Particularly as you yourself wrote the following:



&quot;There is ample evidence that it is possible for psychoactive drugs - and stimulants in particular - to harm the brain,&quot; said Dr Terrell G, of the Boston University School of Medicine, whose research has shown that high doses of amphetamines can cause brain damage in animals. &lt;a href=&quot;http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:YATbCIcbC_EJ:www.psychiatry24x7.com/news/detail.jhtml%3Fitemname%3De0818141.5iw0+%22Terrell+Gibbs%22+adhd&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=us&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(ref)&lt;/a&gt;



Mr. G, methamphetamine use in the California gay community, where HIV supposedly began, has been unbelievably rampant since the late 1970&#039;s in Southern California where &quot;AIDS began. Even most of the supposed leaders of the gay community were strung out on it, including the publishers of our local gay press. As a matter of fact, the amount of Crystal Meth used in the community has mirrored the rise of supposed HIV/AIDS right here where I live in San Diego as well as in LA and San Fran.



Particularly as those using meth are also up for days with no appetite for food, and exposing themselves to many STD&#039;s on a regular basis, and then taking massive amounts of antibiotics to treat the STD&#039;s. Perhaps you suppose that this is no problem for one&#039;s immune system over time? The gay bath houses and gay party scene here has been drenched in meth use since the mid 1980&#039;s when the supposed AIDS epidemic began.  Here in San Diego, 95 out of every 100 AIDS cases either is or has been a frequent crystal meth user. I can still go right over to any of the three gay bath houses in town and buy street made crystal meth right from the guys working at the counter of the clubs. I can go into any gay bar here in town and find several people selling it on any Friday night. The local gay 12 step meetings are full of HIV positive meth addicts. Even some of the local cops got caught selling it!



You are bright enough to admit in your own words in the link above, the cellularly destructive ability of meth as regards brain cells, and are seemingly completely unable (or more like unwilling) to suppose that it may also destroy the immune system, and instead choose to wholly blame HIV for the supposed AIDS destruction of the immune system, wasting, and dementia claimed to be due to HIV. You are obviously able to see the harm caused by meth use in brain cells and you ignorantly suppose that the damage stops there. Is there some intelligent reason to consider the ravaging effect of meth on the immune system? Is there some intelligent reason why you wish to blame the obvious damage on the immune system strictly on HIV?



Terrell G, a real scientist, presented with all of the information that you have been presented with by the AIDS Dissent community, would never stop questioning the mainline HIV = AIDS hype or mindlessly spout that he knows what is going on with it all as you regularly seem to do on NAR, especially after seeing the damage in animals due to meth. Are you just getting old or lazy, or what?



As a supposed research scientist, you should be ashamed of yourself.&quot; 



Michael Geiger



HEAL, San Diego
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me a dirty dog, but I am in receipt of an email from Michael Geiger that was addressed to Prof. Trrll and copied to TS as well, and since I see that the TS has referred to this indefatigable poseur by his right name, I am at a loss as to why he did not reproduce the rest of Mr. Geiger&#8217;s wonderful letter because what opened even these jaded eyes wider than wide was to discover that this grossly inept defender of viral AIDS is a PHARMACOLOGIST who studies the toxicity of AMPHETAMINES.</p>
<p>The open letter to TRRLL:</p>
<p>&#8220;I read your remarks on New Aids Review as &#8220;trrll&#8221; and I am absolutely amazed at your seemingly mindless responses and inability to see any other side to the HIV AIDS issue than you do. Particularly as you yourself wrote the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is ample evidence that it is possible for psychoactive drugs &#8211; and stimulants in particular &#8211; to harm the brain,&#8221; said Dr Terrell G, of the Boston University School of Medicine, whose research has shown that high doses of amphetamines can cause brain damage in animals. <a href="http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:YATbCIcbC_EJ:www.psychiatry24x7.com/news/detail.jhtml%3Fitemname%3De0818141.5iw0+%22Terrell+Gibbs%22+adhd&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=us&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=2" rel="nofollow">(ref)</a></p>
<p>Mr. G, methamphetamine use in the California gay community, where HIV supposedly began, has been unbelievably rampant since the late 1970&#8217;s in Southern California where &#8220;AIDS began. Even most of the supposed leaders of the gay community were strung out on it, including the publishers of our local gay press. As a matter of fact, the amount of Crystal Meth used in the community has mirrored the rise of supposed HIV/AIDS right here where I live in San Diego as well as in LA and San Fran.</p>
<p>Particularly as those using meth are also up for days with no appetite for food, and exposing themselves to many STD&#8217;s on a regular basis, and then taking massive amounts of antibiotics to treat the STD&#8217;s. Perhaps you suppose that this is no problem for one&#8217;s immune system over time? The gay bath houses and gay party scene here has been drenched in meth use since the mid 1980&#8217;s when the supposed AIDS epidemic began.  Here in San Diego, 95 out of every 100 AIDS cases either is or has been a frequent crystal meth user. I can still go right over to any of the three gay bath houses in town and buy street made crystal meth right from the guys working at the counter of the clubs. I can go into any gay bar here in town and find several people selling it on any Friday night. The local gay 12 step meetings are full of HIV positive meth addicts. Even some of the local cops got caught selling it!</p>
<p>You are bright enough to admit in your own words in the link above, the cellularly destructive ability of meth as regards brain cells, and are seemingly completely unable (or more like unwilling) to suppose that it may also destroy the immune system, and instead choose to wholly blame HIV for the supposed AIDS destruction of the immune system, wasting, and dementia claimed to be due to HIV. You are obviously able to see the harm caused by meth use in brain cells and you ignorantly suppose that the damage stops there. Is there some intelligent reason to consider the ravaging effect of meth on the immune system? Is there some intelligent reason why you wish to blame the obvious damage on the immune system strictly on HIV?</p>
<p>Terrell G, a real scientist, presented with all of the information that you have been presented with by the AIDS Dissent community, would never stop questioning the mainline HIV = AIDS hype or mindlessly spout that he knows what is going on with it all as you regularly seem to do on NAR, especially after seeing the damage in animals due to meth. Are you just getting old or lazy, or what?</p>
<p>As a supposed research scientist, you should be ashamed of yourself.&#8221; </p>
<p>Michael Geiger</p>
<p>HEAL, San Diego</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trlll wrote:

 Besides, there are advantages to having multiple tests that use different methods of measuring the same thing. 



It sure makes it easier to justify erroneous conclusions.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trlll wrote:</p>
<p> Besides, there are advantages to having multiple tests that use different methods of measuring the same thing. </p>
<p>It sure makes it easier to justify erroneous conclusions.</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trlll wrote:

 PCR is of course the most sensitive test, but as I noted before, diagnostic testsâ€”especially those used for initial screeningâ€”need to be &lt;b&gt;quick, easy, and cheap.&lt;/b&gt; 



What about accuracy?  I&#039;d think that a diagnostic test would, first and foremost, need to be &lt;b&gt;accurate&lt;/b&gt;.  Quick, easy, and cheap sounds more like reasons to explain why a test is a poor diagnostic tool, especially when dealing with a contagious killer like HIV.



Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trlll wrote:</p>
<p> PCR is of course the most sensitive test, but as I noted before, diagnostic testsâ€”especially those used for initial screeningâ€”need to be <b>quick, easy, and cheap.</b> </p>
<p>What about accuracy?  I&#8217;d think that a diagnostic test would, first and foremost, need to be <b>accurate</b>.  Quick, easy, and cheap sounds more like reasons to explain why a test is a poor diagnostic tool, especially when dealing with a contagious killer like HIV.</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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