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Two Vienna AIDS Conferences, only one with good science

HIV mythbusters precede Global AIDS Confab with truthseeking pow wow

Facing army of millions, scientific idealists try to correct its idea of the enemy

Naive Obama is no help at all, and John P. Moore is still well funded

Eric Goosby, Obama's point man on AIDS, evidently has no idea at all that HIV is not the cause of AIDS, that AIDS is not infectious, and that the black community is at risk of being ground up in the teeth of the HIV/AIDS monster through no fault of its own.  As US Global AIDS Coordinator he will fly into Vienna this weekend to share data, best practices, and lessons learned from the $200 billion worth of programs implemented so far by the global community of HIV/AIDS.  Is there any chance that in a walk around the city this weekend to recover from jet lag he may stumble across the AIDS Knowledge and Dogma meet and learn better?The world’s greatest HIV/AIDS gathering will cram Vienna next week, bonding over the latest ways attendees have worked out to milk the greatest funding cow any of them have ever encountered.

None other than Ambassador Eric Goosby, the US Global AIDS Coordinator, will lead the US delegation to the XVIII International AIDS Conference to join 25,000 other HIV/AIDS dogmatists “to discuss efforts to stop AIDS.”

From July 18 to 23, Ambassador Eric Goosby, U.S. Global AIDS Coordinator, will lead the U.S. delegation to the XVIII International AIDS Conference in Vienna, Austria. The conference brings together an estimated 25,000 participants, including scientists, health care providers, political, community and business leaders, government, non-governmental and multilateral organization representatives, and people living with HIV/AIDS, to discuss efforts to stop HIV/AIDS. Reflecting America’s leadership in the fight against global AIDS through the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), the U.S. will use this opportunity to share data, best practices, and lessons learned from PEPFAR-supported programs with the global community of HIV/AIDS program implementers.

Truth on the sidelines

The only fly in the ointment will be the rather smaller, but more truthful AIDS Knowledge and Dogma – Discerning the Difference: Conditions for the Emergence and Decline of Scientific Theories, Congress, July 16/17 2010, Vienna, Austria running today (Jul 16 Fri) and tomorrow in the same city, announcing in innumerable ways that the whole basis for their work, the supposed science of HIV/AIDS, is hollow at the core, which is one reason why it has got nowhere in 26 years in explaining how AIDS works or curing it. (HIV/AIDS patients treated with the standard drugs in the US are dying at the same rate as ever, 20,000 a year, give or take three thousand (the CDC and the WHO estimates vary)).

Peter Duesberg, whose courage and tenacity in sticking to his guns and the outcome of his impartial reviews utterly rejecting the idea that HIV can be the cause of AIDS sets a rare example in idealistic science in this day and age of journeyman professionals in science who believe whatever everybody else believes, will address the truth telling AIDS confab in Vienna  on Saturday morning at 10.20 am on how the impact of HIV/AIDS on Southern Africa has been indiscernible as the population has gone through the roof over the last decades, contrary to the reporting of the New York Times.Unlike the gargantuan main fair, the AIDS Knowledge and Dogma conference will be an excellent source of accurate information on HIV/AIDS. One might view it as nothing less than a celebration of truth and good science, as verified by the published record in the highest peer reviewed journals. Its basic theme – that HIV does not cause AIDS, and HIV/AIDS is not infectious – has been sounded since 1987 and 1989 in comprehensive reviews which have never been challenged in the same publications, Cancer Research and the Proceedings of the National Academy, let alone refuted there or anywhere else, contrary to the propaganda of all those living off the current dogma.

But will its message calling for a return to good science in AIDS penetrate the noisy ramparts of the celebration of the status quo? The sorry tale of how politics and propaganda have trumped the best published science over the last quarter century in HIV/AIDS bodes ill for the prospects of turning the direction in which the vast crowd of lemmings at the other gathering is running, which is over the cliff of destruction and into the sea of despair, albeit well funded despair.

Can truth prevail in the numbers game?

It really is quite extraordinary how successful the promoters of the established paradigm have been in protecting it from debunkers led by the best man in the field, which is what Peter Duesberg of Berkeley was and is, even now, despite the Nobels given to less deserving rivals which have been used to (a)ward off his critiques.

Remarkable, indeed, given that there are so many books out now, well over thirty at last count, describing this scandal in detail, books by very acute minds with a perfect understanding of the issue, such as Peter Duesberg himself (“Inventing the AIDS Virus, 1996”) the science editor Harvey Bialy (“Oncogenes, Aneuploidy and AIDS: A Scientific Life and Times of Peter H. Duesberg , 2004”), science critic Henry Bauer (“The Origin, Persistence and Failings of HIV/AIDS Theory, 2007” ) and the mathematician Rebecca Culshaw (“Science Sold Out, 2007”), two of whom (Duesberg and Bauer) will be speaking in Vienna.

Other distinguished speakers in the program include the worldly ex-Sunday Times investigative science and medicine journalist and author Neville Hodgkinson (AIDS: The Failure of Contemporary Science (Fourth Estate, 1996)), the sharp minded market researcher, author and drug critic John Lauritsen (Death Rush: Poppers and AIDS, “Poison by Prescription: The AZT Story (1990), and The AIDS War” and others), gynaecologist, obstetrician and AIDS in Africa expert Christian Fiala (author of “Do We Love Dangerously? – A Doctor in Search of the Facts and Background to AIDS”), the virus structure electron microscope researcher Etienne de Harven who has just published “Ten Lies About AIDS”, internal medicine specialist and co-author of “Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits At Our ExpenseClaus Kohnlein (video in French), molecular biologist and radiologist Marco Ruggiero (video) (site), and award winning British science and medicine documentary maker (“AIDS—The Unheard Voices”) Joan Shenton, author of “Positively False: Exposing the myths around HIV and AIDS”. The excellent full length 2009 documentary expose of the rot at the core of the HIV paradigm, “House of Numbers” will be shown, along with a shorter German film from 1996, “AIDS – die grossen Zweifel (AIDS -the huge doubts)”.

But is anyone else listening?

All this material is quite enough to convince anybody listening there in Vienna (or who follows the links above, and reads the fine page of abstracts of the HIV truth conference) that HIV is the Worldcom of science, but the likelihood of it being heard by anyone from the main AIDS event seems remote. For twenty six years the response of everyone in the vast world of HIV/AIDS has been to turn a blind eye to anything which might threaten the central place of HIV in their scheme, and the funding that flows from that idea. As Upton Sinclair once remarked, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Though the ruling idea that HIV causes AIDS is as vulnerable to debunking as a sucked egg is to a sharp stick, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men of reason and disproof have so far failed to dislodge the Humpty Dumpty of HIV from atop his wall, because none of them can get anywhere near him. No one who matters in the system will discuss the topic.

Of course, the naivete of Presidents, officials, editors, charity celebrities, health workers and the general public when it comes to paradigm battles within science is not helpful. Or perhaps it is not naivete. After all, what recourse do people even in high position normally have to a second opinion in scientific matters, which are beyond their own understanding?

Like even scientists expert in other fields, they have to ask Joe, or Bill, or whomever they know or trust, in the established ranks, and this chain of collegial agreement extends outwards from a very small group of insiders in the know. The number of people in HIV/AIDS who are fully aware of its ramshackle, unbolted theoretical underpinnings can probably be numbered on both hands, and half of them probably refuse to admit even to themselves the weakness of believing that HIV causes AIDS. And as Peter Medawar observed in Advice to a Young Scientist, “a scientist who habitually deceives himself is well on the way toward deceiving others”.

Where is the candidate for change?

Suckered by the HIV/AIDS paradigm promoters: President Obama speaks before signing the $3.4 billion Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act of 2009 on October 30, 2009 in the Diplomatic Room of the White House in Washington, DC.  Is it possible that Obama's success at getting into Ivy League schools made him forget his origins and turned him into an elitist, deaf to signs that the public is being misled?   Or is he simply naive, not having grown up with those that feed in the public trough?   And no, Ryan White did NOT die of AIDS, poor mistreated childIn such conditions it is probably unfair to blame even President Obama for going along with this appalling boondoggle, although a case could be made for expecting more from a sophisticated politician. After all, it was not beyond South Africa’s Thabo Mbeki to realize that if such highly qualified scientists still disagreed over the issue. something must be going on, and to demand open public discussion, if not reconciliation of views. Having examined the issue for himself, it seems clear that he concluded like every other intelligent and objective outsider who comes upon it that there is no reason to believe in the unique absurdities of HIV/AIDS, which are legion.

Not to mention the stark giveaway that in established circles reexamination of the HIV faith is verboten, which is why HIV mythbusters have to hold their conference separately in Vienna, in the Imperial court stables, or Hoffstallungen.

For as any child should be able to see, censoring disapproval of questioning of a belief in science is the mark of vested interests anxious lest the paradigm they are living off get toppled, and a signal of its weakness. The lethal degree of counterattack on anyone who raises doubts in HIV/AIDS is notorious, and the most obvious flag that a can of worms will be exposed if it is opened.

A world where no one reads the science

In a modern world where no one has time to read beyond the headlines of journal articles, and even expert reporters are not paid to do any investigation in scientific disputes, the general public rarely tries to read up on a scientific topic hiding behind mounds of jargon on all sides, and so we have a world where a scientific paradigm can be maintained forever floating on general opinion, maintained by censorship and propaganda and the enthusiastic fellow traveling of activists, and the enormous momentum of tens of thousands of organizations and their need for funding.

The Web, which was meant to save us from institutions and systems which might conceal the truth, has now been exposed as ineffective, despite the growing pile of video clips and now even films on You Tube. The number of attendees tells the story: 25,000 versus probably more than a hundred times less. The chance of change at the grass roots level now seems remoter than ever.

But then, truth is not a numbers game, and science is not a democracy. When will a truth seeking leader look into the matter, and rescue the situation?

Calling Mr Goosby

This is the ceiling of the Vienna Opera House, which might inspire thoughts of rising above materialism and feeding at the public trough in the leaders of HIV/AIDS next week, but on the other hand since opera is fiction it might only inspire them to greater flights of fancy which will pay off at the box office run by the NIH.Will Mr Goosby pass by the Imperial Court Stables, where the AIDS-Knowledge and Dogma congress is being held, despite the not very promising name of this venue, and grasp the baton? Will he report back to President Obama that things may be amiss? Will Michele take an interest, and be put in charge of a new White House AIDS Investigative Unit?

Perhaps the current trend led by New York State surreptitiously to test everyone on the country for HIV will turn up a positive somewhere in the White House power structure, perhaps Mr Goosby himself. Certainly that would provide a personal motivation to reexamine HIV skepticism on his part, at least, if he has heard of it at all.

Certainly if he ever troubled to read Peter Duesberg’s book or site, or Rebecca Culshaw’s slim but powerful book, Goosby would be privately persuaded, we feel. But who in this Blackberry era has time to read any book? And who in a world of overwhelming consensus would think that contrarian views are worth reading, especially one atop the pyramid of power, privilege and pay generated by that consensus for 26 years? Probably not Mr Goosby, even if his alternative was the drug regime that increasingly is used to attack the health of blacks here and in Africa.

Moore pipes down

I am John Moore, and I detest this blog, even though I admit it is well written and civil, because it is a denialist blog, which is my favorite word for those who doubt my favorite paradigm, that HIV is the sole cause of AIDS, who deserve only the most vicious attacks, including calling up their universities or employers and trying to get them fired, because this is a very dangerous way of thinking, which might put off patients from taking their drugs, not to mention my leadership of HIV microbicide research.  Meanwhile, we note that lately John P. Moore of Weill Medical College at Cornell, the lead propagandist in HIV/AIDS science notorious for attacking HIV skeptics as viciously as he possibly can (by his own account), has kept out of the limelight, so we doubt that he will be in Vienna hosting a panel on why the media should be censored of any mention of doubts about HIV, as he did in Toronto.

After all, the NIH listing of grants in 2009 in HIV/AIDS has him busy as the grantee of some eight projects amounting to $2,171,570 (click on PIName heading, then seek page 14).

All of them seem to be related to microbicides, where his last major result was that his microbicide actually assisted the passage of HIV, as we recall.

We doubt that the funding of the alternative AIDS – Knowledge and Dogma conference amounts to anywhere near this sum. Were we in charge at NIAID, however, we would allocate $2 million to it, and $20 million immediately to Duesberg, whose line of research in cancer seems more promising that the entire oncogene industry put together.

UPDATE: Russian English speaking TV has run segments featuring HIV Mythbusters during the week – see AIDS: questions remain unanswered – Jul 18 story with 8 video clips embedded. . (Thanks Carter and Questioning AIDS Forum where a couple more videos will be found of Neville Hodgkinson on YouTube from Russia Today and CrossTalk on the AIDS Industry – a TV news segment panel including Peter Duesberg.

Duesberg wins crossfire panel: The last one – Cross Talk – is a must see with Duesberg in a Crossfire type discussion where two stalwart defenders of the faith one from UNAIDS and one from the pharma side are pitted against Duesberg, who they try to repel as “dangerous” and a “murderer” 25 years out of date with his valid (they admit) complaints about AZT killing all the patients, but he is given adequate time to counter them by pointing out that his complaints are drawn from JAMA and the NEJ in the last few years where half (of the 17,000 (CDC) to 21,000 (UN) dying annually) AIDS victims in the US are now dying of symptoms not of AIDS but of drug toxicity, and is given the last victorious word on the topic with that unanswerable point.

A creditable performance by the news host, who did his research beforehand, it is clear, unlike almost all well paid interviewers and producers in the country which spawned this outrage to science, medicine and common sense.

9 Responses to “Two Vienna AIDS Conferences, only one with good science”

  1. MartinDKessler Says:

    Hi Truthseeker, President Obama prior to being elected, took the “AIDS” test, which lucky for him, was interpreted as negative. Had Obama been poor or gay (or both), the interpretation probably would not have come out in his favor. With this in mind, one could observe that Obama took the idea that HIV causes AIDS seriously enough to take the test – I don’t think he could even refuse to take the test because of potential public criticism. To the best of my knowledge, I don’t think any of the potential presidential candidates questioned the role of HIV. If any did publicly, they wouldn’t have been a candidate for long. Thabo Mbeki initially did not question publicly the role of HIV or AIDS. But he evidently had the courage to take the AIDS skeptics seriously.

  2. cervantes Says:

    MartinDK, Your comments have always been most perceptive, thank you – yet on the topic of President/Ayatollah/Chicago-Reverend-Wright-Christian Barack Hussein Obama I dare say you may be (perhaps intentionally) naive on his taking (any of) the ridiculously inaccurate non-specific “Hiv antibody test(s)” that you refer to as an ‘Aids Test.’

    Obama, as his predecessors, is in the tank with Big Pharma and Big CDC and Big NIH/NIAID, with all the their hundreds of $billions being spent each year.

    I have mentioned many moons ago on this site on U.S Budget $$$, and it’s now approaching $400,000,000,000.00 of citizen-paid U.S. tax dollars appropriated for Hiv/Aids line items since 1985, the bulk the last 15 years, and ever growing, including PEPFAR (Presidents Emergency Plan For AIDS Relief).

    If your eyes glaze over on the zeros, it comes to four hundred billion $dollars.

    No wonder how such a gigantic mob can afford to show up for the Fight-Hiv Hoopla. We American taxpayers are paying for every mobster flying in, drinking champagne, and testing safe sex. You can’t make this up.

  3. Truthseeker Says:

    Very true, cervantes, but surely Martin is at least right to note that Obama etc feel obliged to take the test, when politick to do so, and there does seem a chance that someone in the power structure will score positive, despite the rule that if you are rich white and straight it must be a false positive. Does this rule apply if you are rich black and straight?

    However meaningless the test, the result might seem likely to goose in the patient a renewed interest in the alternative science that says, according to the best reviews in the highest journals, that HIV is a harmless entity, and causes no ailments of any kind. Except that in the upper ranks minds are defended against such notions with very high ramparts, and any drawbridge that might have been down to let them in is quickly raised when an individual tests positive and feels vulnerable, and rushes into the arms of his equally misinformed medical advisors.

    Sophisticated politicians should be quick to see privately that scientists have the same potential to mount a scam as anyone else whose expertise is shielded from the public gaze, even though they (politicians) haven’t a very good public record in this regard, with only Thabo Mbeki willing to pay attention for the hour or two necessary to understand what is really happening in the politics of AIDS funding. But if they test positive, would this not at least introduce the possibility that someone with similar instincts as Mbeki might want to see for themselves where the smoke of doubt is coming from?

    Since universal testing seems on the cards surely some accident could bring a rich white straight sophisticate into the emergency ward of some DC hospital and trigger this happy event? Or maybe the entire White House may be tested to set a good example? Though with only 1 in 300 people genuinely positive that wouldn’t do much unless this Scarlet Letter branded one of the First Family, or equivalent.

    You’re right, the longer one contemplates the situation the more it looks like grasping at straws. But the fact remains that anyone intelligent who does look into the issue of HIV and AIDS and whether it causes it or not will quickly see that the questions raised at the highest level in Cancer Research and Proceedings of the National Academy haven’t been answered, that there is a telling preference for viciously censoring any questioning to nip any real review in the bud, that the scientist who argued the alternative view is in fact better credentialed by his published work than any of his opponents in the field, in that none of it has been questioned, and he is responsible for initiating two major lines of research, and that the lay literature is very well informed and argued, and not at all the Web conspiracy kind that promoters of the status quo like to allege.

    Huge amounts of money have fed this tumor on the face of science to an extent where cutting it out would kill the patient. But influential individuals who are affected by it have a powerful motivation to listen to the criticism, and save themselves, or their family, if they can be reached. Surely this is the one way in which the truth can advance, and the way it probably will, in the end.

    Except that it is hard to say why it hasn’t happened to date. Maybe it is simply that they act to save themselves, but not society, like Magic Johnson, who appears to be selling AIDS drugs on billboards at bus stops in Harlem while throwing them down the sink at home when his wife is not looking.

  4. cervantes Says:

    TS, My hometown is Washington, DC, with full immersion in politics and politicians and the world of reporters (my dad was a renowned White House Correspondent) for over 60 years, and I played golf as a youngster on the grounds of NIH in Bethesda, serenaded by their building housing thousands of dogs being sacrificed via innumerable medical hypotheses.

    The golf course is gone, the land now occupied by a plethora of NIH buildings including the National Library of Medicine, where I investigate medical topics, and the dogs have been relocated to a rural location so people aren’t exposed to their imminent messy sacrifice.

    Among an infinite number of journals in the Medical Library is the monthly AIDS issue, the epitome of a thick glossy magazine, chock full of new articles and “peer-reviewed” reports (what a joke) on the most minute, arcane, hypotheses of the HIV World. Of course, all paid for by me and you. Yessir, $30,000,000,000.00 per year.

    Does anybody really think Obama would take an “antibody” test for HIV? Hell, he’s all show biz and if he did, Tony Fauci no doubt ordered his blood sample to be flushed, if it ever made it out of the White House. As to universal testing, it was ordered by the Mayor to be done in DC over two years ago, and everybody for months via public announcements was urged to get the free test. Hah! Maybe one in a thousand non-gay white citizens bothered, and the only (meaningless) test-results reported were from prisoners in the DC jail!

    Yes, if, and it’s a big IF, all of Congress and their staffs were literally coerced to take the (absurd) HIV test(s), all Hell would break loose when some were found “positive” and it was then determined they had been positive for many years, decades even, and still in fine health. Fauci’s empire would undergo meltdown. It’s intriguing: Fauci may actually believe HIV is harmful, and if he does, I hope he pushes through universal testing, and he will thus provide the ammunition for his own downfall.

  5. Robert Houston Says:

    Cervantes asks, “Does anybody really think Obama would take an ‘antibody’ test for HIV?” The quixotic writer earlier suggested it was “naive” to believe Obama ever took it. Battle ye windmills as ye may, but the the AP reported in Aug. 2006 that then Senator Obama and his wife took an HIV antibody test in Kenya.

    In the terrific documentary “House of Numbers,” director Brent Leung was similarly tested for HIV at a mobile lab in Africa and was surprised to be told by the nurse that the test results are interpreted differently for those in a risk group for AIDS.

    Many thanks to Truthseeker for so eloquently bringing to international attention the important conference in Vienna on the scientific truth about AIDS. This cogent report by TS is a welcome contrast to the media’s concentration on the semi-religious conference in Vienna of 25,000 devotees to promote the official fantasy of HIV=AIDS. I do not know if recordings from the smaller conference will become available, but currently online there’s a wonderful set of illuminating Abstracts of the conference by distinguished investigators who challenge the HIV mono-cult..

  6. cervantes Says:

    Robert, here’s the quote from the 2006 AP article you provided (thank you).

    “Obama also spent much of the day studying the toll AIDS is taking on African families. He and his wife took HIV tests as thousands of people watched and he visited a project that helps grandmothers find the money to care for children orphaned by AIDS.”

    Quixote I may be, and cheerfully confess to be taken by the stage production Man of La Mancha 35+ years ago. But, I daresay there’s no intentional competition for the Don Quixote award, by default Peter Duesberg leads the way. Of course there are multitude of others, such as TS, and others at the Alternate Get Together in Vienna.

    Yet, the money is Everything. And, the institutional reputation of NIH and CDC are also Everything. The Press? – hell, they won’t print a word on the Alternate AIDS Conference in Vienna.

    Back to Obama taking the Hiv test in Africa. There’s no dif wherever he takes it, I have little doubt the fix was in and there was no way in hell he would ever be found ‘positive.’ AP just reported he ‘took the test.’ So?

  7. Carter Says:

    Truthseeker et al, odd I find there’s no mention in this here post and commentary about the newest in a turn of events resulting from the Vienna conferences. The fact that RT (Russian Television) the English speaking television station has made available a plethora of their aired segments on video, youtube, etc. wherein unprecedented coverage of the dissidents are explored and heightened. One can say, well it’s about time. One of our worker bees over at Questioning AIDS has been so kind as to try and gather them up and present them in one of the threads:

    http://forums.questioningaids.com/showthread.php?t=6528&page=2

  8. Truthseeker Says:

    Thanks for the tip. Well, the report at http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-07-18/aids-conference-vienna.html?fullstory doesn’t even make it clear there is/was a second, rival HIV mythbuster conference, so even if English-speaking Russian television makes all its videos available on YouTube, one doubts if it will displace PBS pap on the topic very soon without a little help in presentation.

    However, the more one looks at YouTube videos the more it seems that this stuff will be very effective if only people can be persuaded to go look at it, which is a huge hurdle. What is needed is to make up a page of links and descriptions of content, including whatever the Russians have done.

    Maybe the Russians will lead the way in shooting off the head of the global monster of HIV/AIDS. They didn’t bother to send any official to its Vienna meeting, it was reported by the often accurate New York Times. Maybe they are motivated to score a propaganda coup by demolishing this leading PR machine of Western enlightenment by exposing it as false and dangerous.

    Very motivated, if they were convinced they could pull it off. Maybe our job should be to persuade them they can.

  9. Carter Says:

    I’ve been inquiring into the how and why of RT’s interest. There was a press conference prior to the AIDS – Knowledge and Dogma conference and some comments range from Russians have endured communist oppression to they’re less likely to be pressured under pharma’s big thumb.

    RT’s done a good job of their own here: http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-07-18/aids-conference-vienna.html?fullstory

    All in all quite fascinating in my book.

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